Andreas Moritz has stupid followers

My posts on Andreas Moritz get a fair number of hits, both here and at other blogs, even though I haven’t really written about him in awhile. That makes me happy because it means I still show up high enough in search results for people to notice my warnings. As a result, it is without exaggeration that I can say there is a good chance I have indirectly saved a life, perhaps several. Of course, this isn’t something that can easily be measured, but anyone who has had a life-threatening disease and decided to get real medical help instead of reading Moritz’s horseshit in hope of a cure has been saved. (Those who have had normal aches and pains have at least had their wallets saved.)

One might think that getting people to a point where they can be helped would be praised by all. Not that I’m looking for praise, especially since I’m acting as little more than a helpful road sign that points people to the hospital, but my actions are far from bad. Unfortunately, Moritz’s supporters don’t see it that way. That’s why they show up in the Recent Comment widget from time to time. In fact, even though I never use the blog, they show up on Without Apology quite frequently. They never say anything remotely intelligent, which is why I generally ignore them bar the occasional trolling, but one recent comment was especially unintelligent. Let’s take a looksie:

You guys who put down an outside opinion on health matters must also be Christians…

After all, before Jesus Christ fell on the scene 2,000 years ago, by their belief, every single human being went to “hell”. Now, there have been humans on Earth for many, MANY more years than Christianity, and I seriously doubt they all went to this fictitious (My Opinion) “hell”.

It is ok to believe what you like. That’s what makes us all learn and grow. But to put others down for their beliefs in this life, especially those well intentioned to helping others, even slightly skewed as you may view it, is a mark of your own character. History remembers these types for what they were, bitter.

Not only is this commenter, Justan Observer, under the incorrect impression that a whole slew of atheists must be Christians, but he has caused the irony alerts in my head to go crazy. “How dare you silly, gullible Christians insult my precious quack! I question your character for putting others down on the basis of their beliefs.” Gold. Absolute gold.

Isn’t it funny how adherents to a cause can be so telling of the cause sometimes?

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20 Responses

  1. Does your head hurt a lot? That was simply pointing out that their (Christians) belief is that if you don’t believe their mode of thinking on religion, that you are wrong. Kinda the same as you continually berated and commenter, including Andreas Moritz himself, who did not share your beliefs and ideas on this. It was nothing to suggest that the scientific community (of which, following a few of your blogs now, I seriously doubt you belong to) is a “slew of Christians”, but more yours, and a few other commenter’s in that previous blog, must share that style of thought process. The whole “it’s my way or the highway” mentality.

    You seem a bitter individual. Has this man, or any other naturopathic healer wronged YOU in some way? For being a student of biology as you claim, you should know that, without this healing wisdom, your studies would not exist. It has been these kinds of healers that have been around far longer than any alopathic medicine. It has been since the onset of modern medicine that deaths and disease have escalated. The FACTS are at the tips of your fingers, should you open your mind to this “idea”.

    You reject any idea that does not support your own. Who the “quack” (to use your term) here?

    Just by you posting this, and using my comparison out of context, shows how “silly” you are. You have a very distorted view on things. That was in no way written in the manor you present it here. Anyone with half a brain cell left in their head will understand that.

    Don’t flatter yourself. It’s not the worlds fault you have a closed mind. If you want to be the “defender of science” you claim to be, you would appreciate and understand “facts”. The facts are, this man has killed no one, from what I could find anywhere. I cannot say this for each and every “doctor” who practices medicine. His remedies for various ailments have never harmed anyone (by harm I mean fatally or otherwise life debilitating), yet the pharmaceutical “medicines” being pumped down everyone’s necks these days claim the title of being the MOST detrimental to ones health. How long was Vioxx on the market before it was removed? How many people did this “life saving medicine” kill? How many people have to die before this kind of thing is attacked as viciously as you are poking at someone who is not responsible for even 1 death (that I myself can find record of)?

    You do your image harm by posting out of context like this. I have my doubts are you and your own claim, and your credibility is most likely shattered in any scientific community out there….any who read your dribble here anyways.

    My initial comment was nothing to do with Christianity, or Athiests, or any other form of belief. My comment was directed at the thought process involved. To ASSUME that it can’t be possible and only your ideas are the right ones is non-scientific at best.

    It’s ironic that that is the only portion of my reply that you chose to target. You ignored the rest. How about the “scientific” common knowledge at one time that the Earth was flat? Or that the Sun revolved around the Earth. These were immutable facts at one point in history, and anyone who thought otherwise was treated and looked upon just as you are doing here.

    You, sir, are trying to pass off your own OPINIONS as SCIENCE here. You are NOT the end all know all of holistic medicine, or alopathic medicine, or ANY other form of health science.

    In the words of the great Mythbuster Adam Savage…”I reject your reality and substitute my own”.

    You’d do yourself some good by focusing more on your studies and less on trying to convince the world that a man who has helped thousands is “dangerous”.

    There have been healers, like Andreas Moritz, around a LOT longer than your modern medicine. By your reasoning, the shaman of the Amazon Jungle and Native American cultures, and the many, MANY other cultures around the world, are under this same category as “dangerous”. Stop viewing the world from your tiny bubble of existence and look at the bigger picture. The world is far larger than your computer screen.

    The more negatives you put out in the universe will come back on you 10 fold in this life. The energy you put out there is the energy you get back.

    Peace and Love.

  2. You said the people in the thread must be Christians, not the scientific community. You were wrong. Feel free to admit as much.

    You, Moritz, and most of the rest of the world also believe that those who disagree are wrong. Unless you’re saying that I’m right that you, Moritz, and the quacking community are quacks? Are you? If not, then I guess you think I’m wrong. Funny that.

    Yes, I have been wronged by alt-med quacks. One of them, Christopher Maloney, got into cahoots with Moritz and had my blog censored for nearly a week. Justice prevailed and my blog returned, but that wasn’t the end of it. Maloney eventually attempted to sue me. It didn’t fair well for him.

    It has been since the onset of modern medicine that deaths and disease have escalated.

    This is blatantly wrong. Unless you think an average generation of 25-30 years for the better part of the past couple of hundreds of thousands of years constitutes good health and longevity.

    You reject any idea that does not support your own. Who the “quack” (to use your term) here?

    I reject ideas which have no evidence. This is doubly true when those ideas are actively dangerous.

    Just by you posting this, and using my comparison out of context, shows how “silly” you are.

    You incorrectly assumed people on my other blog were Christians. You then put everyone down for what you thought were their beliefs. Finally, you berated people for putting others down. You’ve been caught and embarrassed. Don’t worry, it isn’t the end of the world.

    My initial comment was nothing to do with Christianity, or Athiests, or any other form of belief. My comment was directed at the thought process involved. To ASSUME that it can’t be possible and only your ideas are the right ones is non-scientific at best.

    Your comment was designed to denigrate a group of commenters on the basis that they were like another group you have deemed unscientific and closed-minded. I actually agree with the latter half of what you did, but I don’t agree with your tactic of blatantly contradicting yourself.

    It’s ironic that that is the only portion of my reply that you chose to target. You ignored the rest. How about the “scientific” common knowledge at one time that the Earth was flat? Or that the Sun revolved around the Earth. These were immutable facts at one point in history, and anyone who thought otherwise was treated and looked upon just as you are doing here.

    I’m not usually interested in wasting my time on Moritz supporters, so I don’t tend to read most of what they say (especially since it’s all usually the same anti-science bend). That includes you. But for the record, you’re describing religious opinion. Feel free, though, to name me a single question upon which we once had a scientific answer but for which now the best answer is a religious one.

    By your reasoning, the shaman of the Amazon Jungle and Native American cultures, and the many, MANY other cultures around the world, are under this same category as “dangerous”.

    They are. Surveys have shown that people in developing nations will often go to these people long before they will go to real doctors. What do you think health stats look like for these countries?

  3. I don’t see things in “black and white”.

    As far as censoring your blog, that is not right. The censorship part. But to slander someone is also not right. You are basing your comments on your beliefs. I’m not saying you are wrong….not once. I question your thought process. It appears in your writings that you are dead set on your one track mind, and that any other opinion could be false. The same holds true for those who posted comments insinuating the same.

    Like you ask me for evidence of my statements, I ask you the same. Give me one shred of evidence that he is “A stupid and dangerous man”. Show me 1 single thing that proves this statement. I don’t mean a bunch of links to others and their opinions either. I mean hard, scientific facts. Put your money where your mouth is.

    As for “longevity”, people who DON’T visit doctors live just as long, and even longer in some cases, as their alopathic counterparts. You can base your arguments on the statistical numbers of deaths in developing countries as evidence, but what numbers these studies don’t take into account is those who do not come down with illness. As for past centuries of life expectancy, it couldn’t possibly be evolution at work increasing life expectancy? Of course not. We MUST credit poisons for this by your standard.

    I have not contradicted myself. My stance is still the same as my initial comment. Maybe I didn’t spell it out clearly enough for you. I used that model for reference because most “layperson” of the world will understand that, vs. some long, drawn out rambling in terms they won’t understand. It by no means belittles their views. They have the right, as human beings, to make up their own mind. It’s the thought process, which is a very closed minded one (by MY opinion). The same can be said for your blanket statements on naturopathic treatment.

    People have the right to make up their own minds. It is not up to you or I or anyone to tell anyone else what they can and cannot believe or do. You presented your argument initially as an opinion and put it out there as fact, then substantiated it with further opinion filled ramblings and attacks on anyone who disagreed with your opinion.

    It has been PROVEN many times over that some conditions for which modern medicine has no answer have been solved by naturopathic treatments. Since most of this evidence does not lay in acceptable, yet biased, studies and trials, it is often ignored. Herein lies the weakness in the modern treatment model. I’m not saying one bit that modern medicine is wrong. There is a time and place for it. If the two modes would combine, less poison and more using the bodies own wisdom and supporting its efforts to heal, would be ideal. There are a growing number of physicians out there who support this method. Most do not elect to publicly identify themselves out of fear of persecution by the FDA and other organizations and individuals who would discredit them, or worse.

    When you factor in the number of people killed each year by “medications” and doctor error, compare that to naturopathic treatment…it’s no wonder “they” want to suppress it.

    The number of deaths by prescription drugs has overshadowed that of traffic accidents. Some of this can be attributed to abuse, but how man people have dies by using them for their intended purpose? I’m sure if I dug deep enough I could get you exact numbers and a lengthy list of links, but I’m not that invested in this.

    My point to you is, open your mind. Accept that even in this time, we do not have all the answers. There are going to be things that both sides of the fence can help.

    You cannot discount the millions who are healing themselves every year via natural methods when science and modern medicine can’t.

    When you take a step back and really look at just how things work, being in biology you should understand it better than perhaps even I do, then you may be able to see the logic behind the ideals put forth by these healers. The cliff-notes provided online everywhere on Andreas Moritzs work don’t go nearly in depth enough for anyone to lay claim on his work. I’m not going to tell you to read his books, simple because you won’t, but if you did, and seen that he describes how the systems work within the body and his ideas on how to get them functioning properly again, being a biology student, you wouldn’t be so harsh on it. Nothing is perfect.

    We do not live longer because of modern medicine. If you believe that, then we could pull from religion again, where is states definitively that mankind lived 400 years plus in Biblical times. With the recent discoveries happening in DNA, specifically the enzyme telomerase, it does look to be a possibility.

    Again, like you ask for evidence of my stance, I ask you to back up your blanket accusations on this man, who has done far more to better mankind that you have in your young life. Maybe that’s the key. Youth. In youth, we are indestructible and know it all. It takes age before wisdom truly sets in.

    My wisdom tells me to not argue with you and let the world see you for who you are. But the MAN in me want to point out the flaws in your ways before you yourself cause more harm to others with your blanket “warnings”. Calling people stupid, dangerous and whatever other derogatory “words” you can come up with simply shows your level of maturity. It is ok. Someday, when you grow up big and strong, you too will see the folly in your youthful ways, and wisdom will set in. We ALL go through this.

    I am nothing more than a student in the University of Life.

    Peace and Love.

  4. I never slandered (or, more accurately, libeled) anyone. Calling a person stupid is quintessentially opinion. That opinion, however, was based off the facts. For instance, Moritz says HIV, cancer, and diabetes are not diseases. He recommends against standard treatments in favor of what are little more than laxatives. Not only is that tremendously stupid, it’s dangerous. That will kill people.

    Why do you think people live into old age today? It’s because of science and modern medicine. Access to clean water and safe food is a result of science and done at the behest of modern understanding. For an example, let’s take Guinea worm disease. In 1986 it infected 3.5 million people, causing tremendous pain. People would get a parasite which would grow inside them. Then, when it needed to lay its larvae, it would make its way to the skin, causing a nasty blister. People would submerge themselves in water until it burst (usually through the leg). It would then infect the local water source. It wasn’t until an effort was undertaken to get people to stop doing that and to filter their water that the disease was practically eliminated. And who do we have to thank? The CDC, WHO, and Jimmy Carter.

    Evolution has nothing to do with longer lifespans. There is no reason for people to live into their 80’s; they serve no reproductive purpose, whether in making babies or effectively raising them.

    Declaring that a thought process is closed minded is no different from declaring that a thought process is closed minded because it is your opinion. You hold the position that one particular way of thinking is wrong. There’s nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but it does contradict your sanctimonious position that you’re somehow above ‘black and white’ thinking.

    No naturopathic medicine has ever worked. It can’t. The basis for the ‘practice’ has no relation to reality; it’s magical thinking that says there is some vital life force. Since there is no evidence for any of this, anything any naturopath that has ever done to help someone get healthy has either been incidental or based upon real medicine.

    Telomerase is not a new discovery, nor does it lend credence to the idea that people ever lived to be 400 years old.

    And yes, yes, old people must have some grand insight into life because they are old. Blah blah.

  5. I still await your proof. These are all opinions, and some of them misguided at best. Show me some concrete evidence. Your worm disease example merely required some public education. Sure, some investigation went into finding the cause, but still required no more intervention than education.

    Stating that HIV, cancer diabetes are treated with “little more than laxatives” shows your education on this. That couldn’t be further from the truth. It is far more involved by their standards to treat these illnesses (yes, illnesses, not diseases). I’m not going to spoon feed you the specifics, but I know what both AM recommends as well as most other naturopaths. It has actually been proven time and time again that these method DO indeed work. Since, again, they do not fall under the established trials and studies, which are extremely biased by the way, you will ignore them, as do most in the alopathic world.

    In order to believe in anything, you have to have some measure of faith. Until the day we die, none of us are sure as to what we really are. It is not “magical thinking”.

    Naturopathic medicine (yes…medicine) is derived from the same place that alopathic is. Or should I say, alopathic medicine got ITS start in naturopathic.

    By saying no naturopathic medicine has ever worked, are you saying wormwood (Artemesia Absinthium/Artemesia Annua) does not dispel parasites from the body? It has been used for over 4,000 years in China alone, on record anyways. They are even studying this “naturopathic remedy” for treatment of cancer.

    There is no reason for anyone to live into their 80’s? I find this to be a misguided statement as well. My outlook on this is there is no reason to consider 80 as old. Even modern medicine has stated that as of a few years back, the first person to live to be 1,000 years old is already 60. Evolution has EVERYTHING to do with lifespans. If it didn’t, you would not exist in the first place.

    I never declared a thought process to be closed minded. I stated, like you do in the way you squirmed your way out of a lawsuit, that it seems closed minded. I stated several times that these are all my opinions. Is this not the veil you yourself hide behind? I also never said your way of thinking was wrong. You ASSUMED this. I never said I was “above black and white thinking” either. I simply stated I don’t see things in black and white. These are all your assumptions. They are not facts. I think (think is a term that implies opinion mind you) you may have the line between fact and opinion slightly blurred.

    I know telomerase is not “new” in the strictest sense of the word, but there is increasing research on this one enzyme to be a “fountain of youth” in modern medicine. It was simply an example on how evolution may have played a role in human life spans. We don’t “know” this to be either true or untrue. But it is possible to extend life and youth through this one enzyme, and scientist are indeed working on this as we speak. This is but one of many examples I could throw out, but I’m almost sure you’d find a rebuttal to fit your modality. (Again, and opinion statement)

    There is something to be said about life experience over book smarts. There are just some things a book cannot possibly teach anyone. You gain this experience with age. That is the wisdom part.

    As for the CDC, they are a government agency. Like all government, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them. There are some countries in this globe that will not allow the WHO across their borders. Jimmy Carter was the puppet with the pen. Two out of three of these statements are my opinion, one is fact…you decide which is what.

    Again, your lack of insight into this world of naturopathic medicine, as evidenced by your all encompassing statement above (Moritz says HIV, cancer, and diabetes are not diseases. He recommends against standard treatments in favor of what are little more than laxatives.) shows you to not be an authority to speak too awful intelligently on the subject. Had you done more research before you spat out this propaganda, you’d know that that statement couldn’t be further from the truth. You appear to be greatly misguided and undereducated on this matter.

    You are free to carry your opinion, educated or not. That is your right, not only being this site is hosted in a country possessing the first amendment right to free speech, but as a human being. Those who “know” the truth, know what really is the case. I will tell you this, before you continue to drop these blanket attacks and spread these uninformed words to the masses, you should at least educate yourself first so you don’t look so much like a fool (again, my opinion).

    No one has been hurt by trying any natural method of healing. Even the CDC, WHO, FDA and any other abbreviation you can come up with pertaining to health views ANY natural herbal suppliment or remedy to be, and I quote, “Potentially Harmless, when used properly and under the supervision of a health practitioner”. You cannot say the same for most of the toxins passed off by Big Pharma as “medications”. Far more people have been harmed or killed by these than anyone has from an herbal treatment.

    In the essence of the name of this, For The Sake Of Science, you’d think you’d base more of your commentary on actual scientific evidence vs. the emotion filled opinions you have put forth thus far.

    No one on this end is better than anyone, and everything I type here is my opinion (for the sake of prevention of prosecution…thanks for that idea). I simply say it how I see it, but from an apparently far more educated stance than you.

    Suppose, just for a minute, I deem you yourself a quack. That is after all what you are. A science quack. See how easy it is. Now your credibility has been put into question. Like any jury on this planet, it don’t matter if it was stricken from the record…it just matters that it was said. That is now in the minds of the readers.

    Also, like our judicial system, you have yet to prove, beyond a REASONABLE doubt, that your statements have any merit what so ever. That makes them non-fact. End of story.

    Peace and love.

  6. That’s absurdly long. I’m going to number it to make things easier.

    1. Many scientific efforts involve public education. And they also involve science. That is the case with Guinea worm disease.

    2. It isn’t mere opinion that science works. Methinks you’re using this opinion business as an excuse.

    3. Moritz doesn’t offer any treatments. He offers what’s easy and will sell books. He’s a snake oil salesman.

    4. You do realize that he isn’t even a naturopath, right? He’s a “medical intuitive”. In fact, if he was a naturopath, it would be illegal for him to practice in his home state of South Carolina.

    5. A “vital force” is magical thinking and it necessarily has nothing to do with science. It claims a non-physical basis and refuses to be defined. It has no connection to reality.

    6. Naming plant-based remedies is not the same as naming naturopathic remedies. You seem to be confused.

    7. I don’t think you have a strong grasp on evolution. If members of a species are more harmful than helpful in terms of maximizing gene fitness, there is no evolutionary reason for them to stay alive.

    8. I didn’t “squirm” of out anything. I got pro-bono help from some excellent lawyers who care about the First Amendment. Maloney was going to lose and then face a big anti-SLAPP lawsuit. See here.

    9. Speaking of squirming, it’s interesting how all the things you’ve said are not things you’ve said once they get shown in a negative light.

    10. You didn’t say anything of value about telomerase, but you do seem rather fond of calling everything an opinion.

    11. “Potentially harmless” does not sound like the best of endorsements. At any rate, getting fake care instead of real care kills people. Fact.

    12. I’m convinced you don’t know what an opinion is.

    13. Or a fact.

  7. I still await your facts on any of this.

    Until you put forth facts pertaining to your unsubstantiated claims that he is indeed a “quack”, you have NO credibility.

    As for him being a snake oil salesman, have you yourself read any of his books? Didn’t think so. So you are NOT able to speak intelligently on what he “sells”. Period.

    I know he is a medical intuitive. He has also studied many other forms of natural healing. I could care less what category you chose to define him in.

    I do not need to elaborate on my telomerase. It is not the subject matter at hand. It was merely an example of how real scientists are studying the potential for a “cure for aging” as they call it.

    I know what I’ve said. I never said Christianity was factually and concretely closed minded. I DID however put forth that YOU are. Maybe I jumped the gun and threw out my own accusation there…but after all, is that not what you are doing?

    As for a “vital force”, you can have your view on whatever this means to you. That’s fine. I didn’t bring this up however. You did.

    Evolution allowed you to think. That’s enough of a grasp for me on that.

    I am well versed in what an opinion and a fact are. The first is what you are spreading over all of your words (and I will admit, I’m doing my fair share….returning the favor if you will). Fact is something you have yet to bring to the table.

    Yes, you squirmed out of that lawsuit. Your “pro-bono” lawyers simply found a loophole for you to squeeze through…that’s all.

    The plant based remedy I named is and has been used for thousands of years as a natural healing tool. Does the natural part not fit this category for you?

    Even in a court of law, I, nor anyone else you attack with your words, need to prove our side. It is up to the accuser to provide undeniable PROOF in the form of unbreakable facts before your case is given ANY merit. The burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused.

    I know I typed a long comment. I do it on purpose. To maybe make you think, but at the very least, annoy you. I see your kind come and go every day. I just happened across your posting here by accident while researching another “treatment” (I will not divulge the treatment to avoid giving you ammunition to start another accusatory rant). It peaked my interest after I read all the comments put forth in the previous blog I commented on. I will give you this, you put more effort into your responses than most of the other stooges, but you still gave off the image of a unscientific mind trying to convince the world that your idea on the subject at hand is the end all be all.

    As for fake care…who chooses what is fake and what is real? You? I think not. I think it is up to the individual who is seeking care to decide where he/she is receiving said care from. It is not your place to throw out accusations to scare people. We get enough of that from the FDA and the likes (unless this is a place you maybe work or are possibly looking into). You absolutely have NO foundation to base these claims you are throwing out there on.

    I still await the FACTS. It is your job, as the accuser, to convince me, and the rest of anyone who will happen upon this, that your fictitious ramblings here deserve more than a skim and a chuckle.

    I think you are dodging this for one reason, and one reason only…you know you are wrong and there’s not a shred of CREDIBLE evidence to substantiate your claims levied against these people.

    Peace and love.

  8. Moritz says a number of diseases are not diseases. That you think it is my opinion that diabetes is a disease is your problem, not mine. If you would like, however, I can recommend dictionary.com to you.

    Most of what you’ve said is just declarations so I have no interest in addressing any of them, but I will address this:

    Yes, you squirmed out of that lawsuit. Your “pro-bono” lawyers simply found a loophole for you to squeeze through…that’s all.

    The First Amendment and libel cases dating to the 19th century are not loopholes. You really should check out dictionary.com.

  9. Still no proof to substantiate your claims levied against him. You are still dodging the issue at hand.

  10. Fact: Diabetes is a disease.
    Fact: Moritz says it is not.
    Fact: Not using traditional treatments for diabetes will, eventually, result in many fatalities.
    Fact: Moritz recommends against traditional treatments for diseases like diabetes.
    Fact: Not only have you more than sufficiently proven my post title correct, but I won this ‘debate’ a long time ago.

  11. I don’t see it that way.

    If you had read his books, you would know, he advises to NOT discontinue your current treatments, at least right away.

    Being the student of biology you claim to be, you should understand the mechanics of diabetes (since your heart is so set on this one illness), and as such, should know the causes. Unless you don’t subscribe to diet being the MAIN contributing factor in development of type 2 diabetes, you should understand that by eating healthier, supporting the bodies healing system, and flushing toxins from day to day foods from your system, whether connective tissues, cells, blood, liver, intestines ect can possibly, key word being possibly here, correct some, if not all, of the issues behind this “illness”. What happens when you remove the issue behind anything wrong in the body? It heals itself and gets back to as close to homeostasis as possible.

    FACT: Most prescription medication treats SYMPTOMS, not causes.

    FACT: Medical doctors are not trained to find causes specifically, but to ease the symptoms, or remove offending parts of the anatomy to accomplish this goal…hence the term disease – Dis Ease meaning “not at ease”.

    FACT: Replacing NATURAL cellular function with a synthetic compound designed to trigger what the cell does normally ONLY disrupts the natural homeostasis of the body.

    FACT: You were not born taking pills. Why is this considered so “normal” now?

    FACT: Your DNA is not wired to cause your life to end, but actually quite the opposite. Cells only mutate out of necessity. If they do not get their required amounts of nutrients, and cannot produce energy via normal methods, they must mutate to survive.

    FACT: Any, and I mean almost any, illness caused by lifestyle and diet (cancer, heart disease, diabetes ect) can be, and most of the time is, corrected by removing the CAUSE of the issue. Is this not what surgery is all about? I believe there to be better, non invasive methods to achieve this same goal without further harm to the body.

    I can keep muttering facts here myself. You’d do yourself a favor by not assuming you are discussing this with a “stupid follower”. The only difference is, I use plain English to explain my stance, vs. using big words average people won’t understand. Not to say I don’t know plenty of them big technical terms, I’d much rather folks understand what I’m saying without the need of secondary education.

    All of your “facts” are still on shaky ground. About the only fact you have dropped here so far is that he “RECOMMENDS”, key word here, that you not use traditional, poisonous treatments to alleviate your symptoms. What he also recommends is listening to your body and paying attention to your day to day activities and what you are putting into your system to find the CAUSE of the problem, then seek out a more natural treatment to help remove the toxins and other contributing factors.

    He does not promise anything. He advises it’s not easy. He simply shows you that there is another way, being as modern medicine is geared towards the public’s need for fast paced, immediate gratification and gives pills (toxic poisons) to relieve symptoms.

    There are hundreds of testimonials from individuals who were written off by allopathic medicine as doomed to die from “terminal illness, that have sought him out, and following his advice were given a new lease on life.

    There are MANY M.D.’s who are licensed physicians all over the world who include naturopathy into their practice, but are trained mainly in allopathic modalities.

    Your 5 tiny false facts only continue to show your lack of knowledge in this area. Where do you get your information from? Wikipedia? I can go edit all those pages to reflect what I would like them to say if you like. Anyone can edit that crap.

    There are some things that a natural healing method cannot reverse, but usually only after the situation has gotten far to out of hand for the body to even know where to begin fixing itself. This happens not because of any naturopath (or medical intuitive since you like to point this out…which btw are used by many an allopathic M.D. to help in diagnosis) but because people spend so long suppressing the symptoms to the point the damage has become irreversible. This is what allopathic medicine does. Treats symptoms with toxic drugs that create a new “disease” so they can issue you a drug for that that creates another new ailment…do you see this vicious cycle? People go in for one thing, come out with a drug for that, within 5 years, they have 4 more new drugs to deal with the side effects of just that first drug.

    There is a time and place for BOTH modalities. As a matter of fact, it is fairly common now in most hospitals to use “complimentary/alternative” medicine methods in treatment of patients.

    Do you need a drug all the time to treat an illness…NO. Are there some conditions which may require the use of drugs…YES. Do we need to give antibiotics to people with colds? NO. This is an ever increasing issue today. Abuse of this one treatment method alone not only destroys a persons own ability to fight of any infection, but has the potential to create resistant strains. Doctors know this, but do it anyways.

    Everything here so far I’ve typed can be backed up 100%. With CREDIBLE sources.

    So far, you have yet to still provide me with 1 FACT to substantiate you claims that not only is Andreas Moritz a dangerous, and stupid man, but that the many thousands, and I’ll go so far as to say millions, of people who follow either his advice, of some other form of naturopathic/alternative medicine, are stupid.

    You are on weak ground here.

    Alternative medicine has been both proven and disproven per treatment, but not the actual modality itself. Once an alternative treatment method is proven to work, it simply becomes medicine.

    You have only proven your ignorance on this subject matter so far, not that he, nor any other practitioner, intuitive or shaman are stupid and dangerous or that I, or any other individual who subscribe to these alternative methods and ideas are stupid as well.

    To use your word, you have only proven yourself to be the “stupid, dangerous” one here. You throw out these accusations with no basis in science, yet you try to hide behind that veil and state blatant falsities as factual evidence. This is not science. Science does not involve emotion. It is fact driven, and objectionable. Science is proven wrong daily. There is no shame in this. This is learning. You yourself will have different views on things 10 years from now. Life changes. It evolves. Nothing is really set in stone. Just because there is no proof of a “vital force” by science, does not mean it does not exist. It was science that discovered that our very own bodies are run from “energy”. Would this not be a vital energy? Without it, the body dies. Keep in mind one of the actual facts on energy, it cannot be terminated, only altered. You cannot destroy energy. Think on that for a minute.

  12. Micheal
    I do not know much about Andreas Moritz work but attacking him as you have is not justified by the facts you provide. You need the facts/people of how many people got hurt by his advice and so fort. I do not see any of that in your arguments. Your arguments are toothless against Andreas if compare to something bigger. You should be taking a look at big pharma and medical establishment how they benefit from your sickness and how they manipulate you. Have you done that? Have you look at how much suffering and harm they cause to sick people and make sick people to suffer as well. How much they are driven by profit and not how much they serve you. It is all about profits if you do not know. Check this article of how many deaths they cause a year and compare to the alternatives. And this is just one example I can give you about big establishment work. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/11/leading-causes-of-death-cost-for-us-economy.aspx
    Have a nice day.

  13. Just an Observer
    I really like your arguments. I was wondering if you would share with us your findings about alternative treatments.
    Thanks

  14. “If you had read his books, you would know, he advises to NOT discontinue your current treatments, at least right away.” How very decent of the quack.

    “Unless you don’t subscribe to diet being the MAIN contributing factor in development of type 2 diabetes, you should understand that by eating healthier, supporting the bodies healing system…” Absolutely, 100%. Couldn’t agree more. Proper diet and exercise are absolutely indicated for type 2 diabetes.

    “…and flushing toxins from day to day foods from your system,” Ah, here is where we diverge. What toxins? And how come the liver can’t handle them? It must be badly damaged… in which case all the diet, exercise and “flushing” in the world isn’t going to fix it. A transplant is in order here. To use an anthropomorphic phrase, the liver just loves to detoxify the blood.

    “What happens when you remove the issue behind anything wrong in the body? It heals itself and gets back to as close to homeostasis as possible.” Use of a techy word to try to bolster the illusion of education. Any stable state is homeostatic.

    “FACT: Most prescription medication treats SYMPTOMS, not causes.” Putting FACT in nice, big capitals does not a fact make. This is an oft-repeated but unsubstantiated mantra to contrast malicious, evil, worthless, modern medicine with benign, nice, rasperry-tasting, effective and nutritious altie stuff. Doctors often do just treat symptoms because they acknowledge that often the patient’s own immune system is the best thing to tackle the problem. However, they also advise on diet, exercise and other lifestyle choices that are a lot more “holistic”. Unlike Moritz, doctors have multiple ways of dealing with medical issues. Andreas? “Oh, well, I prescribe, yet again… A LIVER FLUSH!” How original.

    “FACT: Medical doctors are not trained to find causes specifically, but to ease the symptoms, or remove offending parts of the anatomy to accomplish this goal…hence the term disease – Dis Ease meaning “not at ease”.” Twaddle. It doesn’t take all that time at medical school just to look up the right pill to prescribe, you know. You could get a machine to do that. Of course doctors learn to treat causes, unless you care to PROVE otherwise.

    “FACT: Replacing NATURAL cellular function with a synthetic compound designed to trigger what the cell does normally ONLY disrupts the natural homeostasis of the body.” Whereas supposedly removing nasty toxins so your NATURAL liver doesn’t have to do it is different, is it? Again, your use of the concept of homeostasis sounds educated but isn’t. The human body does not, and never has had, one, specific, stable, operating state that is the same for everyone. Every single thing you do, drink or eat changes things in your body like bloodflow, heart rate, enzyme production, liver activity… hey, did you know that when you sleep, your body, instead of FLUSHING piss out of your body, starts storing it in your blood? What an evil thing your all-knowing body must be,

    “FACT: You were not born taking pills. Why is this considered so “normal” now?”: You were not born wearing clothes. You were not born with fillings, glasses, artificial limbs, or dentures. Cooking food is not normal in the animal kingdom. Clean water is not its normal, natural state. Almost everything human beings do (even the saintly Andreas Moritz) is not “normal” or “natural”.

    “FACT: Your DNA is not wired to cause your life to end, but actually quite the opposite. Cells only mutate out of necessity. If they do not get their required amounts of nutrients, and cannot produce energy via normal methods, they must mutate to survive.” Bollocks. Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks and bollocks, with a side order of BOLLOCKS. I’m sorry to repeat myseelf, but I feel it was worth making my point. DNA is not “wired” to do anything to you. It doesn’t have a brain or nervous system. Mutations are random occurrences that happen because DNA does not always dupicate perfectly. “Good” mutations are ones that just happen to allow more occurrences of themselves to proliferate in the gene pool and, necessarily but coincidentally, allow more of their possessors to survive as long as childbirth or to have more healthy children who go on to have offspring themselves. “Bad” mutations are just as likely (actually, far more likely, as a random mutation is far more likely to do harm than good) do not persist because either the relevant DNA receipient dies before childbirth, cannot give birth or has fewer or more sickly young who do not reproduce. Cells do not choose to mutate; they cannot choose anything. DNA does not “need” or “want” anything, or “know” how to mutate “correctly”. I have never seen so many basic and egregious errors under the misleading heading, “FACT”.

    “FACT: Any, and I mean almost any, illness caused by lifestyle and diet (cancer, heart disease, diabetes ect) can be, and most of the time is, corrected by removing the CAUSE of the issue.” Bollocks… OK, I think you get the picture. Cancer is caused by imperfect DNA copying, often but not always catalysed by an external agent. Even if a liver flush could remedy DNA copying errors (and this, at least, is one claim I have not seen made for it), this would not eradicate an established tumour any more than quitting smoking cures lung cancer. Type 1 diabetes cannot be cured by eradicating human growth hormone (the usual cause) or even by a liver flush. Heart disease is not repaired by improved diet and exercise, but it can stop it from getting worse (and any “conventional” doctor would agree.

    “Is this not what surgery is all about? I believe there to be better, non invasive methods to achieve this same goal without further harm to the body.” And I believe in Father Christmas. It doesn’t make him real.

    “I can keep muttering facts here myself.” Well, feel free to start at any time, because you haven’t done a very good job of it up to now.

    “You’d do yourself a favor by not assuming you are discussing this with a “stupid follower”.” Well, I will admit that I don’t think of you as a follower.

    “The only difference is, I use plain English to explain my stance, vs. using big words average people won’t understand.” The trouble is that plain English doesn’t always cut it in a complex and technical field like science. The concept of an electromagnetic wave is not enhanced by calling it a “wibbly-wobbly thing in space”.

    “Not to say I don’t know plenty of them big technical terms, I’d much rather folks understand what I’m saying without the need of secondary education.” Laudable, but irrelevant if what you’re saying has no merit.

    “All of your “facts” are still on shaky ground.” Oh, kettle, this is pot… you’re looking pretty grubby, mate.

    “About the only fact you have dropped here so far is that he “RECOMMENDS”, key word here, that you not use traditional, poisonous treatments to alleviate your symptoms.” What was that about plain, easy to understand English?

    “What he also recommends is listening to your body” Smokers’ bodies demand tobacco smoke. Diabetics’ bodies demand sugar they can’t absorb. Alcoholics’ bodies crave ethanol. Many, many people in the western world have bodies that demand far more food than is good for them. Your body doesn’t “know best” – it doesn’t know anything at all.

    “and paying attention to your day to day activities and what you are putting into your system to find the CAUSE of the problem, then seek out a more natural treatment to help remove the toxins and other contributing factors.” What on earth is natural about a liver flush? Do you see dogs, birds or monkeys doing it? Toxins are natural by-products of everything we eat, but the liver takes care of it just fine if we don’t abuse it with excess alcohol or narcotics.

    “He does not promise anything.” Of course not. He could be sued for breach of promise, and good riddance.

    “He advises it’s not easy.” What? This is the same guy who promises no cancer, diabetes, or any other chronic disease if you follow the exact, same, simplistic food-based “remedy” he recommends in expensive self-published books for EVERY OTHER MALADY. No nasty, toxic pills. No sickness, hair loss, weight loss: just never-ending Nirvana and freedom from all ills from a simple and easy procedure. Please tell me this statement was a joke.

    “He simply shows you that there is another way, being as modern medicine is geared towards the public’s need for fast paced, immediate gratification and gives pills (toxic poisons) to relieve symptoms.” Andreas tells people one fix does it all, right here, right now, no fuss, no muss. I don’t think there is any better exponent of the “I want it now” era. And we have the same tired old tosh about treating causes, not symptoms. I’m sorry, if I break a leg by skiing backwards down the Matterhorn while wearing a blindfold, the cause is my stupidity, and that ain’t going to be cured by no goldarned liver flush.

    “There are hundreds of testimonials from individuals who were written off by allopathic medicine as doomed to die from “terminal illness, that have sought him out, and following his advice were given a new lease on life.” The plural of “anecdote” is not “data”. Do you know any of these people personally? Have you seen their medical records? Do you even know if any or all of these people exist, or do you just take Andreas’ website’s and expensive books’ word for it?

    “There are MANY M.D.’s who are licensed physicians all over the world who include naturopathy into their practice, but are trained mainly in allopathic modalities.” OK, another shot in the foot. Aren’t doctors all supposed to be evil, cackling monsters who long only to hurt their patients with useless, damaging poisons? Are these ones some kind of DID-suffering Jekylls and Hydes, one day grinning Satanically as they gleefully dish out Methotrexate, the next day wearing a kindly, sympathetic expression of concern they carefully consider the patients’ needs and thoughtfully prescribe homeopathic evening primrose? Wouldn’t this tend to show rather that sometimes “allopathy” is appropriate for serious conditions, but that less serious imagined maladies can be handled with placebo?

    “Your 5 tiny false facts only continue to show your lack of knowledge in this area. Where do you get your information from? Wikipedia? I can go edit all those pages to reflect what I would like them to say if you like. Anyone can edit that crap.” HEY, KETTLE, THIS IS POT… oh, never mind. You are positing an evil worldwide conspiracy that you’re an idiot or a fellow conspirator if you can’t see it, yet it takes a genius and his canny, insightful followers to point it out.

    “There are some things that a natural healing method cannot reverse,” Once more, how is a liver flush in any way natural?

    “but usually only after the situation has gotten far to out of hand for the body to even know where to begin fixing itself.” If your body does “know” how to fix itself, in all probability, you wouldn’t even notice. Oncologists don’t tend to whack out the Doxorubicin, X-ray kit, etc. as soon as they spot a patch of benign, pre-cancerous cells on a scan. You seem to have this simplistic view that the doctors have only one, standard response to any malady they see… no, hang on, it’s people like Andreas and his mates who do this. The body “knows” nothing.

    “This happens not because of any naturopath (or medical intuitive since you like to point this out…which btw are used by many an allopathic M.D. to help in diagnosis)” How can they if the supposed aims of “allopathy” are to misdiagnose the symptoms and prescribe something that poisons the body and does no good at all? How can good, pure, natural, helpful, insightful, well-meaning naturopathy square that circle?

    “but because people spend so long suppressing the symptoms to the point the damage has become irreversible. This is what allopathic medicine does.” But, hang on, I thought your point was that you should “listen to your body”. Why do people even consult the evil, cackling poison-droppers if their body is crying out, “Buy Andreas’ Moritz’ next book… buy Andreas Moritz’ next book…”?

    “Treats symptoms with toxic drugs that create a new “disease” so they can issue you a drug for that that creates another new ailment…do you see this vicious cycle? People go in for one thing, come out with a drug for that, within 5 years, they have 4 more new drugs to deal with the side effects of just that first drug.” A person close to me has non-metastatic breast cancer. She has been prescribed (by a supposedly evil oncologist) Tamoxifen. It’s not making her sick and she has no side-effects worth speaking of. The fact is, the condition is not serious to warrant a drastic, all-out assault with chemo, radio and sugery, so the nasty, evil oncologist doesn’t. As we say in the UK. horses for courses: different circumstances call for different treatments. It’s not “one size fits all”: I leave that to Andreas and his odious ilk.

    “There is a time and place for BOTH modalities. As a matter of fact, it is fairly common now in most hospitals to use “complimentary/alternative” medicine methods in treatment of patients.” Make your mind up: I thought “allopathy” was wrong-headed, evil, nasty, harmful and sadistically useless, whereas liver flushes were always benign and 100% effective. How is “pumping toxic poison” (as if there’s any other kind) into your body at a sadist’s will EVER justified?

    “Do you need a drug all the time to treat an illness…NO. Are there some conditions which may require the use of drugs…YES.” Do doctors prescribe drugs for every single illness? NO. Do they prescribe drugs for the ones for which they are likely to be effective? YES.

    “Do we need to give antibiotics to people with colds? NO. This is an ever increasing issue today.” Bollocks, bollocks… sorry, can’t help it. Any doctor will tell you that you CANNOT treat colds, herpes, yellow fever, polio etc. with antibiotics, where the CAUSE is viruses… which cannot be removed by a liver flush. On the other hand, you can use antibiotics for Strep Throat, sepsis (a major killer in the west before the 1940s), and Bubonic Plague. Horses for courses. No doctor gives antibiotics just for a cold.

    “Abuse of this one treatment method alone not only destroys a persons own ability to fight of any infection,…” Boll… OK, you get it. Antibiotics attack bacteria, not the immune system.

    “but has the potential to create resistant strains. Doctors know this, but do it anyways.” OK, I agree. All of this is true. However, much of this is caused by people who FEEL BETTER after a few pills (as do people supposedly after Andreas’ “treatments”) and so do not finish their courses. What they do is allow the tougher germs to breed… and this chimes much more with Darwin than Moritz. Feeling good does not mean you are cured, regardless of what you think. Doctors know this, but they have no choice; liver flushes don’t kill no bugs, but them pesky bugs can kill you.

    “Everything here so far I’ve typed can be backed up 100%. With CREDIBLE sources” Feel free to back that up with actual PROOF. In any case, CREDIBLE is not the same as verifiable.

    “So far, you have yet to still provide me with 1 FACT to substantiate you claims that not only is Andreas Moritz a dangerous, and stupid man, but that the many thousands, and I’ll go so far as to say millions, of people who follow either his advice, of some other form of naturopathic/alternative medicine, are stupid.” The fact that average life expectancy in the UK has risen from 46 years in 1901 to 87 years in 2012 cannot be parked at the door of homeopathy (around for 105 years by 1901), reiki (far more recent), acupuncture (ancient) and least of all Andreas Moritz (who apparently proves all those older treatments wrong, anyway). Antibiotics, chemotherapy, vaccination, antispects and other “allopathy” treatments have ALL led to improvements in this. To listen to you, one would think that people all lived to 100 many years ago, this has DROPPED to 80-something now because of the “poison” that doctors prescribe, and yet nobody notices… except Andreas, of course.

    “You are on weak ground here.” Kettle… no, I’ll let this one slide.

    “Alternative medicine has been both proven and disproven per treatment,” Many, many, many have been disproved over the years (but they’re still around), but I defy you to name ONE that has been proven in any way that you, I and a qualified doctor would accept.

    “but not the actual modality itself. Once an alternative treatment method is proven to work, it simply becomes medicine.” Name one. Just one. Don’t bother with leeches: they are not used the same way they were in the 16th century.

    “You have only proven your ignorance on this subject matter so far, not that he, nor any other practitioner, intuitive or shaman are stupid and dangerous or that I, or any other individual who subscribe to these alternative methods and ideas are stupid as well.” What is dangerous is not that innocent people believe a useless, fake treatment, but that they ignore something that could save their endangered lives because they are fooled by it.

    “To use your word, you have only proven yourself to be the “stupid, dangerous” one here.” Bol…

    “You throw out these accusations with no basis in science,” Your comments show that you have proven that you know less about science than I do about changing piss into gold. You know nothing about science, and what is worse, that appears to be by your choice.

    “yet you try to hide behind that veil and state blatant falsities as factual evidence.” Name some. Name a couple. Name one. You say “I don’t believe this” and then say that some vacuous claim from an expensive self-printed book proves that you are right. Without mentioning a claim by Andreas Moritz, please show why all medical theory in the First World, developed over hundreds of years, is not only wrong, but an evil conspiracy designed to hurt people.

    “This is not science. Science does not involve emotion.” Yep. thumbs up! I agree.

    “It is fact driven, and objectionable.” You seem to claim it is evil and intending to make people sick.

    “Science is proven wrong daily. There is no shame in this. This is learning. You yourself will have different views on things 10 years from now. Life changes. It evolves. Nothing is really set in stone.” Please stop it. You claim that all we know is crap, all people with right minds know and that we are evil for not believing. This is not science or any proof of Moritz’ writing. You say doctors choose to poison their patients, and you say that people are stupid not to see through that. At the same time, you say they are evil and part of this nastiness.

    Then you pat us on the head and say it’s OK to be wrong, and it’s not our fault. Make your mind up! Are we stupid and you are one of the few gifted, enlighted ones? Or, if we are evil monsters who will do anything to hurt people… why do you think we will ever agree with you? What is it?

    “Just because there is no proof of a “vital force” by science, does not mean it does not exist.” And there’s no proof that Ronald McDonald will be the next Pope. That’s a standard but rubbish argument for anything. There is no proof that I will live forever, but in 30-40 years (thanks to “allopathic” medical treatments) there should be ample proof that I am not. There’s no proof of the tooth fairy, N-Rays, Piltdown Man or Iron Man. That in no way proves, indicates or implies that they are therefore in any way likely to exist.

    “It was science that discovered that our very own bodies are run from “energy”. Would this not be a vital energy? Without it, the body dies. Keep in mind one of the actual facts on energy, it cannot be terminated, only altered. You cannot destroy energy. Think on that for a minute.” Energy is that which effects change. OF COURSE the body runs on that, as do car motors. However, if you look at history, the idea of “Vis Vitalis” was that there was a SPECIAL energy that occurred only in living things. As it is understood generally at the moment, can you please show why and how the energy required to run a human body is in any way different from that used to run a car? That is what used to be thought by “Vis Vitalis”.

    Oh, and yes, it was indeed “discovered by science”. Not by guessing or telling people what they wanted to hear.

    You seem to claim that all of science is wrong, wrong, WRONG! You further seem to claim that people who believe that people who believe in science are not only wrong but evilly conspiring to hurt people. Then, so as not to offend too many people, you say it’s not our fault, we’re just not as clever as you.

    Do you poke stupid animals with sticks, or something? You must be some kind of psychopath. “Hey, six-year-old-kid, you don’t know ANYTHING about economics… sucks to be you! NA-NA-NA-NA!”

    What is it? Is it blindingly obvious that science is wrong, and that anyone who argues is evil and deliberately trying to hurt people? Then why aren’t you outside the White House or the Parliament, or whatever, screaming your guts out over this malicious, malicious assault on helpless people who need treatment, yet who are being poisoned?

    Or is it that we, the believers in “allopathy” are really just too stupid to see the obvious truth that only you really, really clever people can actually see? In which case, feel free to poke us with a stick, you sick psychopath.

    Make your mind up: ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE EVIL OR STUPID?

    But remember: they laughed at Einstein (they soon saw they were wrong and admitted it), but they also laughed
    at Biffo the Clown. Just as I would laugh at the stupid, pathetic, idiotic idea that cancer is some kind of defence mechanism for the body if I didn’t care that some seriously sick people actually believe in this crap and stop taking medicine that could help them.

    Let’s get this right and stop playing around: I want sick people to get well. I believe with all my heart that chemo, radio, etc. may be in terminal cases the only way that lives can be saved. If I thought for one moment that a kiss, a flick with a feather or a liver flush would help a loved one suffering from cancer, I would be doing a fuck of a lot more than you to promote it. I certainly wouldn’t be mocking people who didn’t agree with me.

    I think you are peddling crap for someone who makes a lot of money from selling it, and you have not in any way convinced me. Someone close to me has cancer, and I am doing all I can to help her.

    Don’t you DARE to tell me that I want to hurt her instead, you sick bastard.

    I’m sorry: I said the choices were stupid or evil. Maybe you can’t help being stupid. But don’t you dare play two cards at the same time.

  15. “I do not know much about Andreas Moritz work but attacking him as you have is not justified by the facts you provide. You need the facts/people of how many people got hurt by his advice and so fort.”

    I’d love to, Mike. But Andreas Moritz doesn’t publish his figures, and as a snake-oil peddler he doesn’t have to.

    On the other hand, “real” doctors do, and the evil, nasty, goverments for some strange reason tell them to do so.

    Of course, all the figures must be lies, according to some hidden law that covers all the world and that no doctor ever reveals, even on his or her dying bed.

  16. Apologies for using quotes rather than HTML, but I always pick wrong when it comes to square brackets versus angle-brackets.

  17. There is actual statistical numbers. You just need to look for them.

    Each year, according to official government numbers, in the USA, over 106,000 people die because of “medications” administered by doctors alone. You know how many died as a result of naturopathic treatments? Around 10, give or take. This is the use of supplements to treat vs. “medicines”

    The reason why Andreas don’t post figures for deaths is simple. He does not “treat” people. He advises you on what he thinks the best approach to treating yourself. Even IF he actually “treated” people, in the same manor an allopathic MD does, even if he lost 100 patients in a year, he’d still be well ahead of the game in my opinion.

    You speak like someone who knows nothing of his work. And who is mocking who here? You bring some anger to the table with your lengthy dissection of my last post. You are the one calling names. Where is your science? Have you attempted any of the suggestions put forth by Mr. Moritz? I have. My life has improved significantly because of it. I have improved the lives of several others around me offering up suggestions on how to handle certain medical conditions they have. I have had their doctors stumped as to how their blood work has come back much better than it was even a month ago, while not taking any of the prescribed “drugs”. Yes, people have actually had no problem getting off of drugs like statins, diabetes drugs, ADHD medications ect ect ect…all because of a few suggestions I’ve made regarding some of the things I’ve learned over the years of studying this stuff.

    If your “someone close to you” really does have cancer, and you truly are trying to help her, why not try a series of liver flushes? Why not suggest going on a completely alkaline diet? Why not try to reassure her that the cancer is not there to kill her, but to make her stronger? Where’s the harm in this? It’s the fear that makes you react to these suggestions this way. You honestly think emotions aren’t powerful enough to make things worse or better alone? Take that apprehension you have now. You are fearful of her life being taken away by an “evil cancer” that’s hell bent on destroying her. This makes even you feel anger at it, fear of it, hurt by it. You may hide it so she don’t see these things, but they’re there. Now, take a mental note at how this affects your physiology. Your mental state. Your attitude towards the cancer and God or whatever else may cross your mind. It makes you feel drained, heavy, bitter, miserable, constrained and whatever other dark words you can apply to it. Your heart breaks.

    Now imagine how your body would feel if you heard she suddenly was cancer free and going to live a long, healthy life. The huge weight would be lifted. You would feel a great sense of relief. You would be overtly happy. All the snuggle bear feelings that promote a healthy, energetic life force.

    Where is the harm if you truly feel you are doing everything you can to suggest this? You’re obviously convinced she is going to die already, saying things like “I am doing all I can to help her”. What kind of approach is this to helping anyone? And you call me the “sick bastard”.

    It boils down to this. I do not know Andreas Moritz personally, professionally or so much as a phone call or email. I stumbled upon his books and stuff long ago while researching a condition I was going through at the time. What he had to offer resonated with me, so I purchased all his books. I have read each and every one cover to cover numerous times. You are right. He strongly supports liver flushes. But when you think about it…where do all the toxins in your blood go? Where are these drugs, such as chemo, detoxified and processed for elimination? Where do some of the most important chemicals needed for digestion come from? What set of organs control your very being? You guessed it. Your liver is the main detoxification plant in your body. Why not try to cleanse this very important organ?

    Where do all the things that make is so you can live come from? Food. How is this food assimilated into your cells? Digestion. How does digestion work? You get the idea.

    I have absolutely no reason to promote Andreas Moritz, any of his body of work, nor his ideals. He is not the only individual on this planet that promotes these healthy measures. He is one of a ever increasing number who promote health above all else. He does not discredit allopathic medicine as a whole. He advocates combining both methodologies to create a whole system of treatment.

    As I’m quite sure, you are convinced it be quackery. To each their own. My advice to you is to bring more love and happiness into your dark world. Share some of that with your “someone close”, and make her understand that the cancer is NOT a death sentence.

    I never said you would live forever. You won’t. Your body will die, as will the entire universe someday. But the true FACT remains: You cannot terminate energy, only alter it.

    Have you been to medical school? It’s not that hard to learn anatomy and physiology. It may take a little time to understand all the functions of the body. But I guarantee you this: A good amount of time is spent learning what drugs treat what symptoms. They don’t call them symptoms these days though. They are now called “Diseases”. Why this classification you ask? Because only a drug can treat a disease…at least according to the FDA anyways. Look it up if you don’t believe me. Water does not “cure” dehydration. Only Saline Solution via IV can “cure” it. How stupid is that? That’s our tidy government patsy FDA for ya.

    While on the topic of the FDA. Did you know that they recently proposed to allow people to purchase prescription medication over the counter. No doctor needed!

    “The Washington Times reports that a new four-page proposal made by the FDA suggests that cholesterol (statins), diabetes, and asthma drugs, among others, be made available over-the-counter (OTC) to patients without a prescription. And what is the reason for this? According to the agency, too many patients are not getting their prescriptions filled, and many would-be patients are not going in to receive the treatments that their medical overlords feel they should be receiving.”

    Imagine that. Clever way of saying Big Pharma is losing money.

    I dread the death toll this will bring forth.

    Use your head. The placebo effect is the bottom line. If you truly BELIEVE in something, it will work, even if it’s nothing more than sugar.

    Peace and love.

  18. Justan Observer,

    It was I who responded, not Michael. And I apologise for calling you a sick bastard. I accept that you honestly believe what you’re saying.

    However, I gave you the courtesy of addressing your lengthy post point by point. Kindly address my points before shooting off yet another long epistle.

    I will address a couple of points:

    As for the straw man of Andreas killing 100 patients a year, right here, right now, there are believed to be approx. 954,000 doctors in the USA Assuming the 106,000 iatrogenic drug deaths a year is correct, each of those doctors supposedly kills about eleven percent of a person per year. That makes your 100 deaths a year Andreas over a thousand times as lethal as an iatrogenic doctor. Even your guess of “about 10″ deaths would be over a hundred times as lethal as conventional med.

    But then again, I think you plucked that figure out of the air for effect and to give the appearance of rigour. I don’t believe alties bother with follow-up, they just take the money.

    And secondly, please do not ever use the phrase “snuggle bear feelings” in a blog post ever again. It scares me…

  19. PS, the Lazarou/Pomerantz/Corey paper from which that 106,000 iatrogenic drug deaths is taken is over 18 years old. A lot has changed in that time.

  20. I was simply referring to the number of side effects death. If we want to talk about total deaths per year from allopathic medicine, we get close to a million people in the USA alone every year.

    But to go off the original number, this is totals for just the side effects of medications. I agree, the number most likely has changed. I bet it’s far greater by now, considering the advent of cures for everything, then cures for the cures. Even at that number, 10, give or take, deaths total from use of supplements to “treat” illness, well, there’s no comparison. 106,000 compared to 10? I’m not sure where you are getting your math here. I’m not saying Andreas is the “man behind the gun” on those deaths. That’s use in general.

    As for 100 deaths in a year, I was speaking on him, but using him as a comparison to the whole of allopathic medicine, not doctor to doctor stats. But again, he does NOT treat anyone. He is a consultant. He advises what he believes to be the best course for you to treat yourself. In his time, he has noticed many trends in illness that present from case to case, just as I’m sure and MD/ND does with as many years in the field as he has. The difference being, he will advise you do a liver flush, cut out toxins and processed foods and animal products, and a MD will prescribe poisons. You must understand that he, nor I, condemn these doctors for this practice. It is not really all their fault. The fault lies on the pharma companies and ultimately, on us, the end user of these products. Why you ask? We as a being seek immediate gratification. In the fast paced society today, we want to get better as fast as possible. Nobody wants to take the time to change their unhealthy lifestyle. Money is indeed the root of all evil.

    Peace and Love.

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