The Catholic Church does not get it

A study relieving the priesthood of many common charges has been released:

Researchers hired by the U.S. Roman Catholic bishops to determine the causes of the sex crisis that convulsed the church dismissed all the usual suspects:

Few of the offenders were pedophiles. The abusers were not acting on their homosexuality. Mandatory celibacy did not turn clerics into molesters.

The first two points are incorrect. The offenders are pedophiles by definition – they raped and molested underaged boys – and the vast majority of instances involved men whose interest in children was limited to males. The third point may have nothing to do with many of the acts, but sexual repression is never good and almost always due to sexual immaturity, something the Church and many Christians have routinely displayed.

But I’m being a stickler for facts. The important point here is that the greatest complaints against the Church as an institution have to do with its record. It has again and again covered up its acts. It shifted priests from one church to another, fully aware of the accusations. Hell, even the current Pope did this before he reached his current place.

If the Church thinks that this in any way absolves it of its responsibility for its horrific acts, it’s wrong. It’s dead wrong. But that isn’t going to stop these monsters from making excuses:

Instead, most of the priest-offenders came from seminary classes of the 1940s and 1950s who were not properly trained to confront the upheavals of the 1960s, when behavioral norms were upended and crime overall in the United States spiked, the researchers said.

You see, it was just all that sex and junk from the 60’s. If society had have just listened to the Church, none of this would have happened. Hell, if you think about it, it was really those pre- and early baby boomers who raped all those boys, amirite?

This has to be the single most revolting study I have seen in quite some time. The Church has been pushing this gross narrative for years now where they attempt to absolve themselves by pointing out that people besides priests rape boys too. They don’t get it: That is not the point. The Church protected rapists and then tried to cover itself up after information started to come out. That is devastating to any sense of morality.

These antiquated rape-hiders need to understand what this is all about if they ever want to address the crimes of their institution in any way approaching adequacy.

20 Responses

  1. An awful lot of generalizations, given by you, with no evidence what so ever. “sexual repression is never good and almost always due to sexual immaturity”, that’s my favorite one.

    BUT, my favorite line in the whole thing was this one: “If society had have just listened to the Church, none of this would have happened.” If we listened to you Michael, it never would have happened right?

    I’m not defending pedofiles or the church. But really now, sexual abuse is more rampant in public schools than it ever has been in any church. I don’t see the entire public school system being generally condemned, even for the common and widespread abuse that continues to happen.

    Whats really fascinating is that some school systems have done exactly what some dioceses did, with priests. That is, move them someplace new instead of firing them. Why would anyone in any institution, make a practice of that? No idea, but the Catholic Church is not special or even notable in these sex abuse cases.

  2. The statement that the policies of the 40s and 50s caused the problem in the 60s and 70s is total bullshit. There are reports from the 1930s in Ireland and elsewhere.

    There goes Noisy Nate on passing the blame elsewhere. I guess he never tires of protecting his church for all its misdeeds over the millennium. Obfuscation and deflection – where did he learn that? Oh yeah, from the church.

  3. Furthermore:

    Why don’t we hear as much about pedophilia in protestant churches or synagogues as we do about Catholic priests? Could it be that it is not as prevalent? Maybe it is because they are not celibate and looking for victims as the Catholic priests do?

    Even though it is a diversion, I want to discuss public schools? Does it happen there? of course. Is it as prevalent as a percentage as it is in the Catholic church? I see no evidence of that.

    What I do see and hear about is how the public school teachers are caught and tried and convicted and serve terms in jail, usually from 5 to 10 years. I have never heard of a teacher being ‘reassigned’ like Catholic priests are.

    I just wanted to set the record straight here about this, instead of the lies and obfuscation that seems to arise by those defending the degenerate actions of the Catholic church over the last 100 years.

  4. I have a new policy of not responding to “trolly’ commenting. But I’ll make a slight exception.

    http://www.abolishsexabuse.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=906:the-system-of-passing-the-garbage&catid=72:us-news&Itemid=180

  5. Nate, YOU are the troll on Michael Hawkins post. You changed the subject to utter nonsense, Nate The Noise Maker.

  6. Hehe, Nate the obfuscator. Can you find even more obscure publications? You ignored the point thst teachers get convicted. Priests get pensions and new venues.

  7. Pay attention, Nate the obfuscator. No one said there were no pedophile ministers or rabbis. I said we don’t hear about it nearly as much as the hodess of pedo priests. I see pedo priests E EVERYWHERE , stop being a cherry picking troll. Oh wait, that us how Christians use their bible. I see why now.

  8. […] is in response to a post about pedophilia and the catholic church, at least loosely. Nate, YOU are the troll on Michael Hawkins post. You changed the subject to […]

  9. An awful lot of generalizations, given by you, with no evidence what so ever. “sexual repression is never good and almost always due to sexual immaturity”, that’s my favorite one.

    Find me someone who says sexual repression is good. Hell, even though they do it all the time, you won’t find any religion embracing that idea.

    As for the part about sexual immaturity, anyone who seeks to repress sexuality on the notion that it is somehow a bad thing has some twisted ideas about human nature. Those ideas result in the evident sexual immaturity we see all around us.

    BUT, my favorite line in the whole thing was this one: “If society had have just listened to the Church, none of this would have happened.” If we listened to you Michael, it never would have happened right?

    I don’t see your point. The Church is trying to displace blame from itself onto society at large, specifically one decade worth of society.

    I’m not defending pedofiles or the church. But really now, sexual abuse is more rampant in public schools than it ever has been in any church. I don’t see the entire public school system being generally condemned, even for the common and widespread abuse that continues to happen.

    The U.S. public school system does not tend to harbor and protect pedos. The Catholic Church explicitly did this for the sake of saving face.

    The argument you’ve put forth here is the same one the Church and its American leaders have been putting forth: “Well, other people do it, too.” That is not the point. No one is saying that being a member of the clergy is an indication that one is likely to rape and molest boys. The point is that the Church has been downplaying the issue as much as possible, blaming society, secularism*, and pointing to everyone else at every opportunity. So long as this garbage continues, I don’t see how anyone can even begin to believe that the Church is sorry for what it did.

    *It didn’t blame secularism here (as far as I know), but the Pope went on a cute little campaign about it a few months ago.

  10. Michael, organizations do the same exact thing all the time, schools being no exception. An employee commits some crime and rather than report the act or at least fire them, they find it shunt them sideways.

    It is horrible, but lets understand that its not at all unusual in any organization.

    And as to your first two block quotes, you merely presented your opinion, which is fine, but merely opinions.

  11. Nate, all you present is opinions, poor ones, obfuscatory ones, but just opinions. You either missed Michael’s point or you maliciously are trying to divert from criminal behavior of the Catholic church hierarchy.

  12. “All human brains shrink with age, but people who say they’ve had a life-changing religious experience have more shrinkage in the hippocampus than those who have not.”

    http://www.futurity.org/society-culture/religion-changes-lives-and-brains

  13. Michael, organizations do the same exact thing all the time, schools being no exception. An employee commits some crime and rather than report the act or at least fire them, they find it shunt them sideways.

    That is not an institutional policy of the U.S. school system. I’m sure there are individual schools which have had cover-ups like that, but that misses the point. After all, if an individual church or even a few churches nearby each other were protecting their pedophile priests, that would not be the same scandal. It would be awful and we would demand a lot of change, but very few people would be blaming the entire institution of the Catholic Church.

    What you’re doing is comparing isolated or freak events to a wide-swath of historical abuse. It’s apples and oranges.

  14. The institutional structure allowed it to happen, that is true. But given the numbers of individuals involved and the time period, its far from an institutional policy or having ever been one.

    What I compared it to was entirely valid, hundreds of cases in new york city alone. Teachers being assigned to ‘non-classroom work’ instead of being reported and prosecuted. Why? Well yes, to protect the image of the schools, as many individuals tried to do with the church. But mostly in these cases it is because of how hard it is to actually fire a teacher.

    In other words a structural issue allowed it, just like with the churches. I may be comparing a granny smith to a pink lady, but they are indeed both apples.

  15. Are you kidding? The Church systematically covered up its acts, wrote memos on its knowledge and the need to cover these things up, and now it’s trying to place the blame on some nebulous group of people during a random decade. That just isn’t the same as isolated cases that occur in most other instances.

  16. Michael, Noisy Nate will twist just about anything to protect his church and his opinion. Integrity never enters the picture. To him, elephants look like apples.

  17. One of the things not mentioned in this article, since it wasn’t well researched, is that a good proportion of the priests are ephebophiles, not pedophiles. There is a huge distinction between the two. I object to calling them gay since many of them don’t identify that way, altho I know gay priests. The GAY ones are in adult relationships. The others are NOT. They are predators. Some are pedophiles, but some are ephebophiles, both of which get covered up by the church.

    You can easily state that a HUGE proportion of STRAIGHT men are ephebophiles since barely legal girls (young teens) are always a huge hit.

    This link is about Mark Foley, and the distinction that is totally and utterly lost by most people, since the American public is so hung up on basic sexuality:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2151018/.

  18. It’s a fair point about them not being gay per se, but I only say that because I wouldn’t make a point if they were hetereo-pedos. And by that sentence, I think it’s clear that I’m sticking with the claim that they are pedophiles. I’m not going to split hairs when the case is people in positions of authority taking advantage of underage individuals.

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