Atheists never…

There are a lot of terrible things atheists have never done. And there are a lot of great things atheists have never done. And then there are plenty of terrible things and plenty of great things they have done. But at no point can we say any action by an atheist has been done because of atheism. The whole worldview is descriptive, not normative.

That said, there is a site that lists out the things atheists have never done, providing links to each item. It’s worth a look.

21 Responses

  1. meh.

  2. That is a little disingenuous isn’t it? Especially after defending the idea that Christianity kills and not people.

    Atheism is like any other belief system. Whether atheist’s admit it or not, non-belief is a belief. And as you mentioned before people are motivated by those beliefs. Atheist’s act out of disdain for Christianity (primarily) and act accordingly. And there are plenty of instances in history where an atheist (either by name or belief) have attacked other people violently.

  3. Example?

  4. McJob, everything you said is wrong. Atheism is not a belief. The rest is nonsense.

  5. Just so we can agree…Please define atheism. Would you ascribe to this definition:

    In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the belief that there are no deities.

  6. @ New England Bob

    So would you say that you believe that there is no God?

  7. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the belief that there are no deities.

    NO, wrong.
    Atheists are people who see no evidence of any deities. They are open to accepting evidence if any exists. Atheism is NOT a belief. It is an acceptance that no evidence exists for any gods. You are an atheist towards Thor or Zeus or Wotan, etc.

  8. @ New England Bob

    So would you say that you believe that there is no God?

    NO, I WOULD NOT. See My previous comment.

  9. Again and again and again, atheism is not a normative position. No “shoulds” or “oughts” follow from it. You’re confused, kcbob.

    See here for more information.

  10. @ New England Bob

    “Belief” as defined from dictionary.com:

    1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
    2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

    It would appear that your definition would fall under number 2. you believe that there is not enough evidence to support there being any God’s

  11. @ Michael Hawkins

    You’re right. I am confused. Atheism fits tha classical definition of belief. So how can it not be? Atheists believe that there are dieties…

    What is the big deal with admitting it is something you believe?

  12. @ Nate

    using the definition clarified by New England Bob, any dictator or mass murderer who believed in the lack of evidence of God would be counted as an atheist. By definition alone it would include people like Stalin.

  13. 2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

    It would appear that your definition would fall under number 2. you believe that there is not enough evidence to support there being any God’s

    Not even close, but it is the OPPOSITE.

    You have a comprehension problem, kcbob. I don’t believe in something that doesn’t have proof. Theists do.

    Did you understand anything I wrote? About evidence? Apparently not.

    You’re right. I am confused. Atheism fits tha classical definition of belief. So how can it not be? Atheists believe that there are dieties…

    What is the big deal with admitting it is something you believe?

    kcbob has a hammer and everything looks like a nail.
    The problem is that kcbob does not understand belief at all. Read the definitions you published above, kcbob, it makes this stuff you wrote look inane.

  14. using the definition clarified by New England Bob, any dictator or mass murderer who believed in the lack of evidence of God would be counted as an atheist. By definition alone it would include people like Stalin.

    wrong again, kcbob – batting zero
    There is no such thing as belief in lack of evidence of god.

  15. You’re right. I am confused. Atheism fits tha classical definition of belief. So how can it not be?

    I’m not talking about belief vs non-belief. It’s a semantics argument. I’m talking about your claim that this post is disingenuous because I said religion causes people to act in certain ways.

    For your criticism to be right, atheism would need to be a normative position. It is not. If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy, call it a belief; I don’t care. What I do care about is that no “shoulds” or “oughts” follow from atheism – no more than they follow from the claim that rocks exist or that unicorns don’t.

    Let’s take this asinine statement of yours:

    Atheist’s act out of disdain for Christianity (primarily) and act accordingly.

    Aside from being arrogantly ethnocentric, your statement only reflects – at best – the position of an anti-theist, not an atheist. And even then you aren’t listening to all the arguments anti-theists, and especially new atheists, are putting forth.

  16. You should not ride a unicorn, as they do not exist :)

  17. @ Michael Hawkins

    You are right…my disdain comment was a horirble generallization, and does not reflect all views that are atheist. Anti Theist would more aptly describe New England Bob from what I have seen.

    I don’t believe that belief in atheism has to be normative in order to be true. I would even question what defines normative. I could make the argument that Atheism is more normative than what polls would show. I would even go so far as to suggest that normative (at least with today’s technology) is more subjective than it is objective.

  18. @ New England Bob

    I see. So your position requires no belief what so ever? None? At all?

    As long as that is what you believe.

  19. Sorry that I made you look the fool you are kcbob.

    You have no clue what an atheist, anti-theist, agnostic or anything else. Who helped you look up normative?

    I no longer will waste time on you.

  20. I’m sure you never Google a term to clarify things Bob.

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