When being ‘morally upright’ goes a bit too far

Edit: What specifically spurred this post was when Jack deleted a post from his own site. The post, made by me, referenced harassing text messages, but would have been entirely incoherent to anyone who had not sent such texts. That is, I made a comment on Jack’s blog where I responded to the specific subject of a post. However, within that comment, I made reference to the immorality of sending harassing text messages. I did not specify that it was Jack who had sent anything, nor did I reference my cousin. Jack immediately deleted the post. For further evidence, see here where Jack has deleted all my posts from the record. Specifically, Jack says to have deleted the entire post for language. However, he contradicts himself by admitting that when he comes across “foul” language, he only edits posts. That, in fact, is a policy of his. He had never deleted an entire post for containing curse words before that point; only when the post also contained a reference only he would understand if he had sent out texts did he start with the deletions.

Jack Hudson is a creationist and frequent poster here. He’s actually even on my ‘friends’ list on Facebook (my requirements for ‘friendship’ basically being ‘any interaction on any level at some point in time’). Given that he has the conservative, creationist, Christian version of SIWOTI (unlike my version which is centered around things that are true), it’s understandable that he’s going to post from time to time on my links, status updates, etc. In fact, I frequently find my notifications up around the 40-50 mark each day, largely thanks to Jack and those who respond to him. And that’s all fine and dandy; it keeps me entertained.

But sometimes people will react with hostility. It isn’t unique to Facebook or people I know, of course, but it does happen on my profile. One person who did this was a cousin of mine whose hostility was given in a relatively unique way: rather than lash out or rant, he just went for the jugular. Even though the topic was health care or some such thing, he started making abortion jokes. They shouldn’t really bother any rational person who has ever worked with any cells of any kind since there’s no ‘spiritual’ difference between, say, E. coli, and a human embryo (with “spiritual” being meant largely in the Carl Sagan sense, i.e., ‘important philosophical difference’). But the entire point of using those jokes was to bother someone – a conservative Christian. My cousin didn’t want to engage the particular views being offered since there wasn’t much point in arguing, so he just sought to anger. And believe me, the plan worked.

But it worked too well. Instead of the issue ending on Facebook, it spread further; my cousin has his personal phone number listed on his page, which itself is not private. Over Easter dinner he told me of recent messages he had been getting from several different phone numbers. They read something like “How can you make jokes about abortion like that?”. At no point did the person identify himself, but the blatant references to what happened on my private Facebook profile makes it all too obvious.

Now to be sure, my cousin actually has no idea I’m typing this. And, in fact, he expressed no particular concern over the issue. It’s sort of funny, sort of pathetic, and if I actually thought Jack was dangerous and not just taking his notion of morality a bit too far, I might be more concerned myself. (In fact, I haven’t even defriended him.)

Instead, what does concern me is how this relates to what I’m always writing on FTSOS – religion and how it motivates. For those with children, imagine little Johnny sending hostile texts to a random person on the Internet. How would you react? Would it ever be okay for that to continue? I can vouch for the general sanity of my doctorate-pursing cousin, as it happens, but how much is that even worth on the Internet? Johnny would be told never do that again – right after he was grounded and had his phone and Internet taken away. And it wouldn’t be Johnny’s motivations that were of concern. No. It would be his actions. No matter how good he thought his reason, his actions were the problem. But that all changes when the autonomy of an adult (even if it isn’t the one I suspect) motivated by religion enters the picture. The whole What Would Jesus Do? jazz is what has caused my cousin to receive texts (from several different phones, no less) berating him for his jokes; that seems to have somehow made things okay. No longer are over-the-line-actions what matter; instead, (and because an adult is involved) it is the motivation that is important – because it’s religion.

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47 Responses

  1. I am not surprised at the response of theists. They often display little morality.

  2. I appreciate paranoia as much as the next person, but for the record (not that it matters) I have never called your ‘cousin’. Besides the fact that I think it is wrong all together, would be stupid because in this day and age it would be fairly easy to see and respond to the number that was being called from, something apparently neither of you have thought of. I have in fact never called or personally talked to anyone I correspond with on the internet because II don’t confuse what is posted here with real life. I have a life outside of such discussions, and quite frankly when I walk away from the computer I have other things to do. Those of us with lives, and families, and careers have better things to do than respond to the vulgarity of some random commenter.

    Besides the fact that I am ‘creationist’ that you asked to be your friend on Facebook, and the fact that you initiated a dialogue with me by posting and commenting on my blog before I even knew who you were, is there any other reason to think I would call your cousin, who I didn’t even know existed until a few days ago because he started attacking me on your Facebook page?

    Blog owner edit: Notice the admission that this occurred on my Facebook page – a page where all the settings are to only allow my friends to view what I post, including the status update on which Jack got trolled.

    Your cousin posted on a public site Blog owner edit: Now notice how my private Facebook page has changed to “a public site”. Jack is lying to cover his tracks. a very nasty joke about babies eating their way out an abortion disposal unit, under his own name. Unbeknownst to me until this post, he also apparently publicly posts his personal phone number. I would never condone contacting anyone one corresponds with on blogs or public discussion boards, much less to threaten them, and I would condemn anyone who would did so; but I also wouldn’t be stupid enough to make vulgar and offensive statements in a public forum and publish how to contact me. The reality is any number of people who saw what he wrote could have been offended, and of those people, one of them decided to respond badly. It is wrong, but hardly surprising.

    Obviously there is no way to answer the “Did you stop beating your wife yet” sort of questions. All I can say is I wouldn’t and didn’t do that, and for those that actually know me, that is good enough. In fact I don’t even have to say that much.

    But another thing I can say I would never do is compose a post on my blog personally attacking a person, because I write about issues and questions I consider to be important in a serious matter. I don’t attempt to engage in personality assassination. I know it bothers you that I edit out language I consider offensive, and personal attacks, and I know that you threatened you would write something like this based on the fact that I do so. But as I said in response, I personally don’t care what you do on your own blog – and now we all know what you do is attack people without evidence or warrant. Good luck with that.

  3. You’re right. Texts from a Minnesota number referencing specific posts probably came from all those other Minnesotans who can see my page.

  4. Jack, enjoy your free uncancelable lifetime deluxe FAMILY NAMBLA membership, paid in full by several donors who have asked to remain nameless. And just in case you get to the mail before your wife, I’ll be sure to send one to your work, so when the urge to push one out comes, you can even diddle yourself in the toilet stall, just like I like to do on my lunch break. I just hope your boss doesn’t screen mail, or the mail jockey likes the smell of Ben Franklin’s cologne.

    We’ve got a Midwest convention in May, right down the road from the Boy Scouts Jamboree too, with motivational speakers Ted Haggard & Bernard Law! Condoms are complimentary, BYO ‘ludes & rufies. Hope to see you there!

    Love,

    -Spooky anonymous combed-over mustached guy that drives a brown 1978 Dodge van with curtains, a piss piss & blood stained mattress, limb restraints, and owns a & cornucopia of rainbow colored ball gags, and butt plugs and is ruthlessly proficient at instituting escalating series of highly embarrassing & befuddling events that will be increasingly difficult to simply explain away to loved ones and colleagues. *MUAH*

  5. Well there are at least 151 people who can see my posts, and the vast majority of them are from Minnesota, because that is where I live, and I can’t vouch for how everyone of them would react to someone saying the vulgar things your cousin said.

    Like I said, calling that number is easy enough; I don’t know who it is, and I don’t know anything about it. I had better things to do on Easter than to call strangers over disgusting posts.

  6. In fact; why don’t you post the number your cousin got the texts from here? Then we can investigate the evidence together.

  7. That’s kind of like Whitey Bulger being like,

    “Timmy. I am SHOCKED to hear your degenerate gambler uncle went out for smokes and disappeared. I’d be more than happy to help you look for him. How unfortunate. You must be crushed.”

  8. Well no, if it were my number, or someone I knew, I wouldn’t want there number published on the internet. But as I am absolutely positive it isn’t, I would actually like to see it here. That is assuming this isn’t a total fabrication.

    We’ll see I guess.

  9. Oh, and one more thought so eveyone can see what lovely member of you family your cousin is – the conversation that you claim ‘went for the jugular’:

    Ty Hawkins Jack, if you’re gonna get all serious with what any guy not on the angry pipe would have taken as blatant sarchasm, I’m just gonna have to launch into some abortion jokes to turn that frown up side down :)

    Jack Hudson The classiness just keeps comin’

    Ty Hawkins Jackie chum, smile or ima make you guess what’s funnier than a dumpster festering with the ded corpses of aborted fetuses :). SMILE!

    Jack Hudson wow. How closely are you and Michael related?

    Ty Hawkins It’s a live one trying to eat his way to the top Jack. :) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

    Jack Hudson Do you know people who find this funny?

    Ty Hawkins Yes. Satan, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove all laughed their asses off when I told it at the RNC press dinner last year.

    Ty Hawkins Bush just kind of looked at me puzzled and asked, “Feet-us? What’s that Dick? Is theys like our feets our somethin’? Mah feets just eat through shoes. Ayh don’t geddit.”

    Ty Hawkins or*

    Jack Hudson Now I know why you are a big healthcare fanatic; the money from your ‘comedy’ sure isn’t going to cover any medical bills.

    Notice I no point did I get angry or out of sorts. I mean Ty is a pitiable figure who incites disgust and perhaps some concern about his mental stability, but not anyones anger – there is nothing there worth that much energy. What I don’t quite get is why Michael, who portrays himself as a doyen of ‘reason’, defends this sort of commentary.

  10. Wow.

    Calling a guy on Sunday and asking him, “Why do you post trash on the internet?” is immoral?

    You guys need to grow more than a single cell’s width of skin .. :chortle:

  11. What about going to someone’s house in order to continue the discussion? Would that be okay with you, laughing boy?

  12. Sure. What is morally wrong with knocking on a guy’s door and starting a conversation?

    This thread is surreal.

  13. Yeah, it appears in Michael and Ty’s world, it is immoral to text a stranger, but morally justifiable to joke about a child surviving an abortion, or child rape.

    Though I wouldn’t describe that as ‘surreal’, but sick.

  14. I’ve neither defended nor attacked the content of anything Tyler said. And even if I did one way or the other, any potential hypocrisy is moot. If is not okay to invade the privacy of others, especially when said one said other is a stranger.

  15. I’ve neither defended nor attacked the content of anything Tyler said. And even if I did one way or the other, any potential hypocrisy is moot. If is not okay to invade the privacy of others, especially when said one said other is a stranger

    Well as I didn’t invade anyone’s privacy, and I agreed that doing so would be wrong, that point too is moot; though as some have pointed out, a publicly posted phone number doesn’t seem very private.

    Nonetheless, what you have failed to produce thus far Michael is the evidence you claim you have – so as far as I or anyone else can tell, this is a fabrication.

  16. What difference does it make? I’d give you the info if I actually thought you’d be honest, but finding an honest Christian is kind of like finding a celbate porn star. The whole sack of lemmings believes in a second hand text that is two thousand years old, based off of a collection of metaphors and fables of which almost no proven archeological evidence has been found to support anything other than who lived where and when, which held the sole purposes to allow the illiterate to understand concepts and lessons church elders wanted to ingrain into them (so they could take what little money they had and prosper for themselves), and this cover-bound waste of pefectly good toilet paper has been translated over and over again into no less than 2700 dialects over the past two millenia to further the mission of milking money from the poor desperate, destitute and lost souls who feel so empty inside as they flounder through life aimlessly, that they’ll pay for the privilage to have a cannonized psychic friend stand at a pulpit and tell you whatever s/he needs to to fill your soul so that in turn you’ll fill their collection basket, which will buy plenty of candy to lure buys into the rectory, meth, gay hookers, pink boufant wigs & gallons of eyeliner, Fox News affiliate commentators’ salaries, airfare to shuffle kiddy diddling priests to obscure amazonian outposts, and to purchase & ensure the silence of all that found out the ultimate truth once Father McKenny blessed one too many children with the sign of the cross using his member.

    Jack, Karma is a mother fucker, and I will act as it’s arbitor and director if this keeps up. Whether you truly give a rats ass ass or not, consider this me calling your card for the slimy little hypocritical festering jizzrag you are, because whether YOU called or not, I’m sure your people did (GPS in smart phones is a MUTHAFUCKER when you’re trying to discretely harass someone….(all from MN….coincidence? Lemme huff another hit of Krylon and mull it over….),. Regardless of what the fuck Jesus would do, I tend to be far more nefariously cerebral when evaluating and acting on my options, and because I believe in an eye for an eye just like you do Jack, rest assured, what comes round shall go round. And around. And back around. When though, and how, is anyone’s guess. I’ll let you sweat that one out. Happy Easter, you dickless coward. Do the world a favor, and next time, call a phone sex line, and go fuck yourself.

  17. So on one hand Michael claims the numbers don’t exist, and now you claim you have them but you aren’t giving it to me because I’m not ‘honest’. You two need to get your stories straight. In fact, I don’t even want you to give them to me – I want you to post them here so others can judge for themselves – but I think we all know this is a complete fabrication by now.

    And ‘my people’ called you. What people would I have that would want to call a pathetic drug addled excuse for a comedian? What do you think I do, bankroll a phone bank of lackeys just waiting for a raving lunatic to make some completely insane and incoherent remarks on Facebook?

    I don’t know who called you Ty, but I wish I did because I would laugh at them for wasting one minute of time that could be spent on anything else and be more worthwhile.

    It appears this is a pathetic bid for publicity for your failing comedy career – I have a hint for you, try saying something funny, and maybe you would be busy working instead of spending all your free time making up stories in a pathetic attempt to gain some attention.
    Oh, and anytime you are in Minnesota (not that anyone here would be so incredibly stupid to hire you) – stop on by, and we will have a little talk about who the coward is here.

  18. So on one hand Michael claims the numbers don’t exist

    I said (on Facebook) that they are track phone numbers. I’m not sure how saying “These numbers are of a particular kind” equals saying “These numbers don’t exist”.

    Oh, and anytime you are in Minnesota (not that anyone here would be so incredibly stupid to hire you) – stop on by, and we will have a little talk about who the coward is here.

    This macho chest-beating is getting old. You’re an out-of-shape, middle aged guy who is likely not especially active (at least not apparently so). Tyler is in his 20’s, a former Boston bouncer, and actually lift weights and all that jazz (thanks, incidentally, to our common ancestor). No one is going to fight anyone, especially over petty Internet shit, but if this malarkey actually escalated, it wouldn’t be a contest – and I think you know it. Now knock the big-man routine off. It’s very Christian of you and all, but you may want to practice something reasonable like humanism.

  19. No one is going to fight anyone, especially over petty Internet shit, but if this malarkey actually escalated, it wouldn’t be a contest – and I think you know it. Now knock the big-man routine off. It’s very Christian of you and all, but you may want to practice something reasonable like humanism.

    Tyler is a Chris Farley wanna-be, except not as funny, and not nearly in as good a shape.

    Fact is, it doesn’t matter, because since he couldn’t afford to come to Minnesota anyway – and he would have to figure out where it is. So I am not too worried, and the fact that you are concerned about humanism while enabling your cousin’s lifestyle is fiairly pathetic.

    You started this Michael, and you can’t admit that you made a mistake, so deal with it.

  20. Jack,

    I would break your femur, extract it, and skull fuck you with it, and use the remaining broken stump to wear you like a sock puppet on a stick, and I’m going to take the faggy tassle loafers that you wear to the country club and take a shit on them when I’m done. When I’m in MN, I’d be more than happy to stop by, although the thought of getting on a plane to beat a man retarded seems counter productive, since you’re already dumber than fuck and useless as tits on a boy. It’d be like hitting a slow child in the head with a sledge hammer. Even if he lived, he wouldn’t learn any lesson from it. You don’t need to argue in regards to your smarts or lack thereof- your politics have spoken already, and there’s a collective suspicion you quite fancy the smell of strong paint, so I will leave that as a moot point.

    I fought three + years of professional MMA at a very high level, with videos, accolades and witnesses, and 41 KOs to back it up. I’ve worked security at bars that made the Double Deuce look like Chucky-fucking-Cheese. If I was on a bottle of horse tranq and 400lbs, I would own you. There’s nothing I love more than watching some pathetic little shit attempting to scream “sthlooop!” after his face resembles a sack of nickels intermingled with a broken jar of strawberry jam. If I had the sum total of checks written by mouths that couldn’t cash shit, Bill Gates would be my butler. Ask anyone. See how much bullshit I talk. They’ll tell you. Likewise, if you’re in Maine, I’m always available. But I have a feeling you probably fight like a rape victim anyway, scratch at my eyes, use your little pink bottle of mace and blow your rape whistle. That’s cool. I’ll take your manhood too, just to say I did it. Hey, I’m liberal like that. Keep up those 3am calls from your Klan friends and spouting off at the face, banging that frigid swamp donkey of a wife, and wasting your time in Church praying away all of the deceitful things you collude to and the lies you continue to live. See what karma comes around. Jesus forgives all Jackie. So fear not him. Me, on the other hand. I’m just not that nice.

  21. Yeah, I think I saw a picture of you in one of your mighty battles here.

    Dream on Chris Farley, dream on.

  22. This is coming from a man that would get the piss kicked out of him by Chris Farley, Carson Kressley, Laura Flynn Boyle, or Stephen Hawking. I’m terribly insulted. Go entertain yourself and stop calling me. Need an idea to pass the time? Buttfuck yourself with a circular file. When that gets old, I’ll be more than happy to offer suggestions for other activities like eating paste while vegetating, catatonically mesmorized by the neo-con Jacoby Mugatus of Fox news, who undoubtedly could get an empty vessel like yourself to obey Bill O’Reiley’s dog if they gave him enough press time. They certainly did a fine job brainwashing your ass to subscribe to that vapid cunt, Palin. Have another cup of Tea. No, there’s just a lump of sugar in there, REALLY, nothing else…..

  23. So Ty, I have always heard the best comedy is the product of lonliness and poverty. Is that a myth, or are you just an exception to that rule?

  24. Jack, watch out, man. Mr. Hawkins sounds like the toughest guy I ever heard of on the internet, and I’ve seen a few pixels tough fellows on the web, lemme tell you.

    Oh my, I gotta go hug the kids.

  25. Well, if hot air is dangerous, he may be the most dangerous man on the planet.

  26. If I were you, I’d pray for Michael to erase that comment and you come up a better come back. This is a science blog, you know.

  27. Yeah, that is what I assumed when I came here, and quite frankly, whatever our differences, I always enjoyed a civil conversation with you and the rest. This seems to have turned into a Hawkins family personal vendetta blog – not so good.

  28. I worked my way through school running two companies- a moving company and a nightclub and executive security firm. I attained mastership & taught two different martial arts. I’ve fought in the IFL, WCF, King of the Cage, and won the “Rep your City” tour (Boston) of Toughman, a no holds barred show on FX that combined strength events with a sanctioned fight with few rules. I was 19. I fought a guy almost eighty pounds more than me. He lasted slightlty over a minute. Yea, I’ve put on a few pounds (Grad school will do that. You would’t know, I know, you probably couldn’t get in.), and I’ve lost about 40 since my profile pic on Facebook was posted. But due to my chipper personality and superior intellect, even when I was 290lbs at one point, I consider myself fortunate to have never had to mercy fuck a hag nearly as heinous as (presumably) your wife in your profile picture. You’re a strong man not to have to eithier hit that from behind 100% of the time, or paper bag her, every time, w/o fail. And one of your calls yesterday was from1989 called. It wants your wife’s look back.

    I’ve travelled pretty widely & have two jobs currently, on top of tutoring, a bachelors of science in sound engineering, working on a second bachelors in biological science (12 credits away), and I’ve got masters in education & some doctoral work in the same field. I’m applying to medical school this year, and given my 3.8 GPA, 3 product patents & four co-patents, and plenty of volunteer time for cause which I deem worth of my regard, I’m pretty sure I’m golden. I was social chair of my fraternity, and, through working at so many nightclubs, I’m connected to more people by two degrees of separation or less than anyone I know. I’ve got a ton of friends, a chill family, a happily sinful love life, a new car that’s just fucking tits,
    a girlfriend I love to death and nothing but good things ahead to look forward to. And I do comedy on the side, because when I see a douchebag, I tend to make fun of him, and it’s inherently funnier when said douchebag has no idea that, not only is he a giant glaring douchebag, but everyone else thinks he is too. Yet he still can’t see the woods for the trees. Then it inherently get’s exponentially more hilarious.

    So no Jack, things are fucking swell in my life. I’m not locked down working for some Initech facimle as a corporate whore, fellating a Lumberg clone, settling for what is clearly piss poor by my standards, but the best you could get, understandably, with a wife I wouldn’t fuck with my cousin’s dick. I have nothing but grand things ahead for me. But you Jack, time has ticked by that you can’t get back, and I sense you’re a bitter againg mental midget longing for the regressive politics of yesteryear and a reach-around from Barry Goldwater. You have regrets. I just have options. If I was stuck in your black hole of a life, I would pray to Jesus like it WAS my job for it to change for the better. Because, I fear it is you that’s living by your own mantra in regards to lonliness and poverty, where as I just have a snazzy Blackberry that allows me to tell little doggie to shut the fuck up in a timely manner when he decides to bark at strangers he’d be afraid to bite if he ever came face to face with.

  29. aging*

  30. …and Jack, don’t you dare fuss to Mike about losing and argument and wanting to be all civil and such, because whomever called me at 3am, screamed “babykiller”, and hung up, which was GPS traced to a St. Paul suburb by a state police dispatcher I’m acquainted with, certainly wasn’t concerned with the civility of my nights rest. Just know it’s being looked into. Treat others as you yourself would like to be treated, and if ye decideth to fuck with another man, at least quantifiably ascern you have sufficiently large enough testicles to man up and do it yourself. You took it here, or summoned one of your bitches to. Bed, made, lie.

  31. So, given all the incredible accomplishments in your life, to what do you attribute the current need to don a clown suit and work the neighborhood birthday parties?

  32. Oh, and by the way, I don’t live anywhere near St. Paul. And both my in-laws (father, step-father) are policemen, so I completely trust law enforcement to do their duty. Good luck with your made-up innvestigation.

  33. One more thought Ty while you are making up claims about contacting law enforcement.

    I personally would love to show a law enforcement agent public internet posts that threaten assault, rape, and murder. I mean it’s fairly convenient that you have written it down in a public place, because it will be a short investigation. In addition to the fact that under Minnesota law it would be verbal assault, and because it is an inter-state transmission, the FBI might be interested as well.

    Of course, it’s been a few years since I worked in law myself, so I might have to check up on that.

  34. Hi pot. My name is kettle. How are you today? Black AND Angry? that’s too bad.

  35. Yeah, that is what I assumed when I came here, and quite frankly, whatever our differences, I always enjoyed a civil conversation with you and the rest. This seems to have turned into a Hawkins family personal vendetta blog – not so good.

    1) I’ve often shown you little respect. I think you make generally weak arguments with little to no support and I’ve often even taken the time to point out how your writing style (a lack of needed commas, misspellings that aren’t mere typos, beginning every response with that condescending “Well”) hurts what you present. I don’t see where anything here has gone much beyond that as far as my posts are concerned.

    2) I actually allowed for the possibility that you aren’t the guilty party (though it seems unlikely). It’s unclear why this seems to have gone unnoticed.

    3) Insofar as this post is concerned, so long as the above action was motivated by religion, it really isn’t relevant if it happened to a family member of mine or not.

  36. Jack worked in Law?! Wow. Howso? Fluffer for the head of the legal department at some D-rate Tranny Porn company in Castro?

  37. And the police and FBI are going to direct you to the first amendment, tell you that I’m well within my rights to call your card on all of the aforementioned cowardice you own, and they’re going to tell you to reread the constitution before calling 911 or summoning Batman again. However, you MAY have some luck sicking Bibleman, the Power Rangers, or the Ninja Turtles on me, since I’m sure they’ll be more responsive to your needs in fantasy land next time you decide to flush your seroquel again, tell off your mom, and storm out of her basement again.

  38. And Jack, the only time I EVER put on a clown suit is when your wife pays me to, right before I drop a hot Carl on her. Birthday parties….please….Gonzo sex-for-hire pays better.

  39. Nobody cares.

  40. I don’t know Jack from a hole in the wall, but if someone accused my wife of having paid money to have a man in a clown suit drop trow and poop on her face, I would not only care- I may commit homicide. And if it continued, I’d commit suicide. That’s just wrong. But in a really funny cutting way.

  41. Mr. Larson, that would assume you cared about the messenger or the intent of the message. As opposed to caring enough to calling someone’s phone number to intimidate further comment on your disapproval of a previous discussion, when the comment thread online was the appropriate place to voice that threat sentiment.

    Just because someone has personal information open to discovery, even without actually searching for it, doesn’t justify others using it to contact them without their permission. The same goes for “knocking on someone’s door and starting a conversation.” Without getting permission to contact them, and already having an appropriate avenue to respond, one has reason to suspect that the callers wanted to say things that would be considered threatening or otherwise inappropriate. Or, they’re just idiots who decided to extend their <Neighborhood Watch to include Ty’s ass.

    1) I’ve often shown you little respect. I think you make generally weak arguments with little to no support and I’ve often even taken the time to point out how your writing style (a lack of needed commas, misspellings that aren’t mere typos, beginning every response with that condescending “Well”) hurts what you present. I don’t see where anything here has gone much beyond that as far as my posts are concerned.

    Showing sommadat Tough Love! Sometimes, caring is painful.

    I wrote some very nasty and hateful things to Mr. Hudson a couple weeks ago, and while my apology was sincere, after seeing similar rants being posted to him, I cringe even more when I think about what I wrote.
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    Ty Hawkins: long list of very impressive accomplishments

    trog69: Many years ago, while in a pool league, with the opponent having 3 balls left on the table, the insufferable Mr. trog called, and pocketed, a 5-rail 8-ball in the corner pocket. He then proceeded to win $10.00 US by reproducing this incredible feat for his previously skeptical opponent. ( The 8-ball was @8″ from the pocket rather than right next to it.)

  42. The funny thing is Michael’s whole post backfired. He came in here attempting to make someone look bad because his poor cousin got phone calls over mere internet dispute, but after introducing us to what kind of person his cousin was, everyone ended up sympathetic to the caller.

    I didn’t call Ty or direct anyone to call him, and would warn anyone against doing so, but I no longer feel bad that someone did, I don’t think anyone else does either.

  43. @trog69

    Thanks trog, you’re a decent person and the apology is appreciated; I regret any snottiness on my own part, and would ask you forgiveness for responding that way. Perhaps one benefit of having Ty post here is that decent people want to go the extra length to distance themselves from him by being civil.

    This is my last post on Michael’s site since it has ceased being about anything I am interested in. Feel free to come visit my site whenever you want, you know where to find me.

  44. Jack, if you reread what you said, you call call yourself decent and civil, but you’ve outted yourself as a callous vindictive prick. Last post here? Fantastic, go fuck yourself. May you watch your entire family die slowly of cancer, and then on your saddest day of your life thereafter, be hit by an errant load of napalm, and have to run into a septic field to put yourself out….one erected in an abandoned salt mining pit, and you drown in the brackish sludge as it still feels like your on fire. And when you “cross over”, you find NOTHING. Just the collective energy of the universe being recycled for other chemical means. And if someone gets that level of trainwreck death on cell video, bless their souls, because that’d be some high quality entertainment. Good riddance. Fuck off. But thanks for not calling last night. It must have been family church night. Or go fuck a gay whore and smoke some ice night.

  45. Yes, this backfired just horribly. Grant Dexter, a creationist just like Jack, was sympathetic to Jack. How shall I ever recover?

    Perhaps one benefit of having Ty post here is that decent people want to go the extra length to distance themselves from him by being civil.

    Here are some quotes from you, Jack.

    I mean Ty is a pitiable figure who incites disgust and perhaps some concern about his mental stability,

    It appears this is a pathetic bid for publicity for your failing comedy career

    Oh, and anytime you are in Minnesota (not that anyone here would be so incredibly stupid to hire you) – stop on by, and we will have a little talk about who the coward is here.

    What people would I have that would want to call a pathetic drug addled excuse for a comedian?

    Tyler is a Chris Farley wanna-be, except not as funny, and not nearly in as good a shape.

    Fact is, it doesn’t matter, because since he couldn’t afford to come to Minnesota anyway – and he would have to figure out where it is. So I am not too worried, and the fact that you are concerned about humanism while enabling your cousin’s lifestyle is fiairly pathetic.

    Dream on Chris Farley, dream on.

    So Ty, I have always heard the best comedy is the product of lonliness and poverty. Is that a myth, or are you just an exception to that rule?

    So, given all the incredible accomplishments in your life, to what do you attribute the current need to don a clown suit and work the neighborhood birthday parties?

    Which definition of “civil” are you using?

  46. […] all likelihood, Jack Hudson still reads this blog. As regular readers will know, he left in a huff when I exposed the ‘anonymous’ phone calls he or one of his friends had been making to a family member of mine. Of course, I went out of my way to point out that the best evidence was […]

  47. […] also go to a gym. But on the other hand, I hate macho chest beating. I’ve seen it on FTSOS at least twice, and I hear it at the gym from time to time. It’s annoying and immature and it shows a lack […]

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