My radio interview for Atheists of Maine

I was recently interviewed on The Pulse, a radio program here in Maine. I was given the opportunity to talk about Atheists of Maine and some of the charity work we’re doing tomorrow and in the future. I think overall it went pretty well, but I do need to polish up on the charisma a little bit. Saying “uh” and having a tendency to pause a lot tends to make for a little rough radio.

So, check out the November 15th interview here and go here to read about Atheists of Maine’s charity work in Brewer. (Skip to about the 43 minute mark in the interview.)

(And for anyone wondering, I have a part 2 to my most recent post in the works. I just don’t have time to finish it right now.)

Religion is not a motivator for good, part 1

This image caused a kerfuffle over at the Atheists of Maine Facebook page last week:

The point of the image is simple: Science has a practical utility whereas religion often has a petty focus. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who don’t want to understand that. Some were Christian trolls (who had to be banned), others were atheist/agnostic trolls (one of whom was almost banned), and still another was an accomodationist (that is, a person who does everything in his power to promote the effects of religion without actually believing in its core ideas). This last person responded with this link:

As hundreds of thousands of East Coast residents evacuated to seek shelter from Hurricane Sandy, the Christian humanitarian relief organization World Vision scaled up its emergency response to provide immediate relief supplies to families and children impacted by the storm.

Three rapid assessment teams will deploy in New York, Washington, D.C., and West Virginia this week while additional staff will remain on standby to begin distributing emergency supplies to the hardest-hit areas.

“Why, there you are!”, the argument goes. “Religion does have an important role to play. Just look at how much good it has motivated!”

I think it’s a patronizing and lazy argument.

It’s patronizing if only because it was made with the posting of a link, as if it isn’t common knowledge that people do good things all the time under the banner of religion. It’s lazy, if not because it was nothing more than the posting of a link, then because it doesn’t take into account human nature, evolutionary history, different forms of selection, and overwhelming evidence from other animals around us. Let me clarify.

People do good deeds in the name of religion all the time. That isn’t a secret, with or without the above link. But that does not therefore mean religion is a motivating force for that good. That argument was never made, and whereas that’s the point being argued, it’s the height of intellectual laziness to engage in this arena of discussion without even considering anything about motivation. Let me clarify further.

There is a key difference between a motivating force and an influencing factor. The former is the direct cause for something that happens (or said, thought, etc) and the latter is an indirect cause. To put it into other terms, my hunger is a motivating force for why I might buy a sandwich. An influencing factor, however, would be a commercial I saw for Subway. My procurement of food is directly motivated by my hunger, but my specific purchase is influenced by another factor – that is, my motivation exists independently of a given influence. So now let me connect this to the point I want to make.

The motivation to do good in the world is an inherent human characteristic. We have ample evidence for why this is so, ranging from the extrapolation of kin selection into an environment with large, non-tribal populations to the way other animals exhibit moral behavior to studies which compare how different cultures respond to the same moral problems. For example on this last point, the Trolley Problem was posed to remote tribes that had never been exposed to Western, Christian, or most other modern ideas. The specifics of the thought experiment were tailored to make sense to these isolated groups, but the results were stunningly in line with what we see all over the world. A sense of right and wrong would appear to not only be inherent in humans, but it can often result in similar outcomes in disparate groups.

The position I am putting forward then is that religion is an influencing factor that often operates on this inherent motivation to do good. A more robust argument can be made for this, but the rough outline is here (and it’s an outline I don’t think accomodationists and many others have even considered). Religion itself, however, is not a motivator to do good. Just ask yourself, Who honestly believes that good deeds would cease without religion? And for those that do believe that, how do they explain people who are good and do good without it? One might say that religion is just one of many motivators for good, but that’s basically saying that there exists some other basis for doing good. That basis, I am arguing, must be the reason people do good things. I happen to believe we have a lot of quality reasons for looking to our evolutionary past and status as social animals to figure out the nature of this basis, but even if I’m wrong, it still follows that religion is an influencing factor in doing good, not a motivating force.

In part 2 to this post I am going to address how religion’s status as an influencing factor and one of its prime characteristics (the promotion of faith) opens the door for it to cause harm in the world.

Thought of the day

This whole business with David Petraeus? It’s hardly a story at all.

Atheists of Maine volunteer effort

Everything that follows is from Atheists of Maine:

We’ve been talking about making an effort to get Atheists of Maine involved with a charity this Thanksgiving. We want to do something hands-on that will enable us to do some good while also showing people that atheists are good without God. We were open to a number of possibilities, including teaming up with religious organizations, but as of today we have found our charity: . Here’s their mission statement:

Food AND Medicine’s mission is to organize, educate, and empower workers and our communities in the fight for economic and social justice. Food AND Medicine believes that by working together with unions, farmers, community groups, small businesses, and faith-based organizations we will create solutions and positive change.

Right now they’re looking to put together 1000 meals at $30 a piece. As it so happens, one of our members has generously offered to put $1,000 towards the charity we help, so that means Food AND Medicine will be able to put together about another 33 meals to feed another 33 families.

Stuff like this makes a big difference.

In addition to the monetary donation being made in the name of Atheists of Maine, our members will be volunteering time this Sunday (and potentially other days) to put these baskets together and help make this whole show work. If interested – atheist or not – let us know! The more help, the better.

Location and Time

Food AND Medicine is located at Solidarity Center, 20 Ivers Street, Brewer, ME 04412 and they need help over the course of a number of days. For Atheists of Maine, we will be helping this Sunday, November 18. For those who can’t make that date but still want to help, here is a copy and paste from an email we received earlier today:

Sort Preparation– Tuesday November 13th – Thursday November 15th
Times: 10am – 5pm each day
Location: 20 Ivers St (Solidarity Center)
Projects: washing and sorting produce, preparing bags, sorting stuffing, setting up for weekend sort

SORTING DAYS! – Friday November 16th – Monday November 19th
Times: 8am – 6pm each day. Our biggest needs are all day Friday and Saturday in the morning
Location: 20 Ivers St (Solidarity Center)
Projects: carrying produce to hall from basement, helping sort produce, carrying full bags back to basement, helping load trucks

Final truck and clean up — Tuesday November 20th
Times: 8am – 10am
Location: 20 Ivers St (Solidarity Center)
Project: Loading final 150 baskets onto semi truck, help with Solidarity Center clean up

Again, Atheists of Maine will be helping this Sunday. Any time between 8:00am and 6:00pm is fine, and we’ll update our Facebook page as to when Michael, Ryan, and/or Will (the AoM co-leaders) plan on getting there.

One way to help developing nations

The ways in which a person can make a difference in a developing nation are seemingly endless. Peace Corps, donating, fund-raising, awareness-raising, volunteering, and on and on it goes. But one of the best ideas I’ve heard has to do with cookware.

Quality nutrition is one of the biggest problems facing any developing nation. Every year people die from malnutrition, especially children. Others go blind from things such as vitamin A deficiency – something which can be remedied quickly and easily, if caught early enough, with a single shot that lasts years (because vitamin A is stable in the human body, and thus we are able to store it). And then others suffer from iron deficiency, something many of us avoid without even realizing it every time we eat our Wheaties in the morning. This last point is where the cookware enters the picture.

It was once common for pots and pans to be made of heavy iron, but soon after the industrial revolution took hold and steel and other metals became cheap, manufacturers began putting out lighter, and often more aesthetically pleasing, cookware. One effect of this was the need for greater iron in the diets of some people because the iron from their pots was no longer making its way into their spaghetti and potatoes and whatever else they were cooking. I think the next step here is obvious: Encourage greater use of iron cookware in developing nations. Of course, there is a cost associated with this, but the great thing is that this is a long-term solution for some people. Iron pots and pans tend to last a long time, after all.

Now, this is just one idea for one issue. There are plenty of more ways to address the poverty and problems of developing nations – for instance, more infrastructure – but a good place to start is by taking a look at the Millennium Development Goals set forth by the U.N. There really is so much to be done.

“It’s no skin off my nose.”

One of the things I like to do when one political party falls on its face is go to its primary outlets and see the freak-out. In 2008 that meant watching Sean Hannity explore every possible way the polls could be wrong. In 2010 that meant watching the sullen faces on MSNBC. And now in 2012, I am once again back to FOX and the like. Let’s take a look at “the like”, shall we?

I took a screen capture for what I called my favorite part of election night on Tuesday. It was a shot from a post by Jack Hudson predicting a “decisive” Romney win and I took it because, aside from the fact that he was so wrong, I know Jack well enough to know that it would needle him to not only be wrong, but to have his wrongness so overtly displayed. I didn’t expect him to respond to my post (nor did I care if he did), but I was really hoping someone would say something. I mean, the reaction would have to be priceless, wouldn’t it? Answer: Yes.

As it turns out, the person who said something was Mike and, as always, he kept it succinct and entertaining:

So Romney lost pretty soundly, there were several victories for marriage equality, Todd Akin got trounced, a couple states passed laws legalizing weed, and we’ve elected our first openly gay senator.

Oh well. The Lord works in mysterious ways that are indistinguishable from non-existence.

This post was 44 words long. Now look at Jack’s:

I did say I wasn’t a prognosticator.

But I appreciate your magnanimity Mike. :) I think it gives us a pretty good indication that the next four years will go pretty much like the last four years with regard to political dialogue (as well as everything else).

The irony is that it’s no skin off my nose. I have done quite well the last four years and actually stand to benefit from Obama’s reelection oddly enough. And I am old enough where all the entitlements you will be paying for will probably be available to me the remainder of my life. So I and my family are going to do fine because I have planned and provided for a variety of possible events. Others will pay for the debt which grows by the second, and I can guarantee it won’t be ‘the 1%’ who have the means to escape the pickpockets.

And while I prefer that things get better for everyone, I also know that some people (perhaps an increasing number these days) only learn when a bat is applied to the side of their collective heads, metaphorically speaking. As we start off on day one with the stock market dropping over 300pts, the country facing a fiscal cliff and absolutely no indication anything will improve or go ‘forward’ it isn’t going to be me facing regrets. I am old enough remember this all being done before, folks wading through the malaise, poverty, and violence of the seventies which followed the last attempts to remake our society according to secularist ideologies. It simply proved to that generation how bereft such ideologies are of any meaningful solutions. Of course they knew enough not to re-elect Jimmy Carter. This generation of useful idiots come along worshiping their political leader, who is supposed to move them ‘forward’ to some imagined panacea and they end up where large swaths of Europe are today.

So enjoy it while you can, you are going to be paying for it for a long time.

336 words, or over 7.5 times longer.

Oh, the butt-hurt.

Let me interpret:

Your political discourse is liberal and I sneer at it.

By the way, you fucking liberal, my bank account is almost as fat as I am. Are you impressed? You should be. I mean. I’m pretty fat. Oh, and I’m old. God damn it, I’m so old! Fortunately, despite my impending death (which is being rushed by my fatness), I will benefit from all the entitlements that I don’t think any should get. Na-na na-boo-boo! Don’t you wish you were part of the upper class? We don’t have to pickpocket people (because the government has been doing it in our favor since Reagan). But again, I wish you would raise the level of political discourse, you idiot.

Now, I know I just spent all that time bragging about how my fat bank account lets me buy all the fat guy clothes and fat guy food I could ever want, but I care about the little guy. I really do. Also, I think he is an idiot and I wish he would get smacked with a bat. Metaphorically. (Maybe.) Look, the election was well over 24 hours ago and the stock market had a bad day. That has to be that black fella’s fault. (He gets no credit for the stock market being near record highs, by the way. Don’t be an idiot, you 47%er.) But again, I’m so fucking old, so that makes my opinion way more valuable than yours. And I’ve seen this before. It’s like the 70’s when Jimmy Carter was elected to office once. Just like Barack Obama. WE’RE BECOMING EUROPE! Forget that our growth is going in the right direction, outpacing much of Europe, and we haven’t implemented austerity measures as the Republicans want. I DON’T LIKE FACTS! You idiot socialist, Nazi, communist.

So in closing, I’m really butt-hurt, but I want to make myself feel good by telling you just how awful your life is going to be. Also, bald eagles, Real America, Karl Rove, Ronald Reagan, the Founding Fathers, Christian nation, abortion is murder, gays lead to bestiality, and wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.

Thought of the day

Here are the reasons marriage equality for gays passed this time around in Maine, even though it failed just three years ago here:

  • Opposition was far less active: The Catholic Church and other religious groups were not focusing all their efforts on this one issue, nor were they actively raising funds to the extent they did last time.
  • As people have more time to think about this issue, the more mature their response becomes: New proposals are often a shock to people. In fact, it took 3 or 4 attempts just to get gays equal rights in employment, housing, education, and other areas here in Maine, but we eventually did it.
  • It’s a Presidential election year: The last vote was in 2009, so the opposition to equality had an advantage. After all, it’s no secret that liberal ideas and candidates would do far better at the polls if every American had to vote. In 2009 we naturally saw a smaller sample size than 2008 or 2012.

Election results

The two results that concern me the most are the presidential race and the vote to legalize same-sex marriage in Maine.

Well, good news.

President Obama will continue to correct the mistakes of Dubya and gay people are no longer second-class citizens in Maine. In fact, while Washington is likely to also pass a pro-equality measure, Maine is technically the first state to approve gay marriage by means of popular vote. We’ve done some good up here. I’m proud.

Also, here is my favorite part of this night:

Maine voter guide:

Okay, so I hope people take this as more instructional than guiding, but here it is either way:

President: Barack Obama
Senate: Angus King
First District: Chellie Pingree
Second District: Mike Michaud
Questions 1-5: Yes (especially on Question 1 concerning the legalization of same-sex marriage)
Kennebec/Somerset County DA: Darrick Banda

Atheists of Maine blog and store

We’re really vamping things up with Atheists of Maine. We originally started out as just a Facebook group, but now we’ve been involved in newspaper interviews, we’ve had a couple of meetings (check our Facebook page), and now we’re expanding our operations with the creation of a cafepress store. We hope to become a 501(c)3 in the near future, but that remains to be seen. We also have a brand new blog.

The Store

The goal of opening this store is to raise funds to cover costs associated with IRS filings to become a 501(c)3. Of course, as I said, it remains to be seen if this happens. And why? Well, we don’t know what we’re going to have for funds. If we only end up raising $25, we may keep things lower key. I don’t see that happening, but it’s a possibility. However, no matter what we raise, all the money will go towards non-profit causes. That almost certainly means our filing costs, but worse comes to worst, we’ll just donate the money to the Red Cross or some local charity.